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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*Cloud dies*

My head hurts, too many views, too many opinions. If I had a penny for every stupid thing I did when I was younger, I'd be rich! The point is everyone does things that are very stupid but you somehow think it's funny to do it regardless. He probably felt that he was being clever when he edited the wiki, when he got back in under a different guise [If he did that at all]. Hell, he probably did it because he's having a hard time in real life and felt that he had to do something to get his frustrations out. As Net has probably said before, look at it from someone elses perspective.

That's life, you just have to learn to move on and learn from past mistakes. *hint hint* Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In the case of Psyconaut ((partially aimed towards Net)), any evidence that can be used, will be used. A common occurance in cases I believe. Perhaps HLS could shed light here....


That's the thing, though, it can't be used if it's all flimsy circumstantial crap.

Once again, I could care less about DLM's spelling, fact is that's still no excuse for treating him the way we did. He might not have been willing to learn at first, but publicly abusing him certainly didn't help.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Once again, I could care less about DLM's spelling, fact is that's still no excuse for treating him the way we did. He might not have been willing to learn at first, but publicly abusing him certainly didn't help.


Net, the spelling, as its been said a thousand times wasn't the sole issue! If it were, we would all be arseholes essentially! But we took all of the evidence and put it together...

There's no spelling/grammer nazi's here Net. If someone had bad spelling, I'm sure it'd be requested that they use a spell-checker. So saying its the only reason he was unpopular is a little harsh.

He was unpopular for all the actions he took...

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Once again, I could care less about DLM's spelling, fact is that's still no excuse for treating him the way we did. He might not have been willing to learn at first, but publicly abusing him certainly didn't help.


Net, the spelling, as its been said a thousand times wasn't the sole issue! If it were, we would all be arseholes essentially! But we took all of the evidence and put it together...

There's no spelling/grammer nazi's here Net. If someone had bad spelling, I'm sure it'd be requested that they use a spell-checker. So saying its the only reason he was unpopular is a little harsh.

He was unpopular for all the actions he took...


Still no excuse for treating him the way you did. Plus, as far as I can see, every other piece of evidence was as useless as the spelling thing.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Righto Net. Righto.....
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quick query: should problems arising from situations like these be addressed by private message or public forum-posts? Public forum posts prevent the possibility of individuals brewing private feuds between one another, but private messages avoid 'publicly shaming' someone for a mild misdemeanor.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PMs. Public humiliation is just unacceptable behaviour for the dojo.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually prefer everything to be out in the open. When everything goes on in private, it gives me the feeling everyone's plotting. Especially when I know I've said something unacceptable and no one says anything. I've always preferred being publicly humiliated than having people whisper about me in private and one day just being banned. But that's me.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I actually prefer everything to be out in the open. When everything goes on in private, it gives me the feeling everyone's plotting. Especially when I know I've said something unacceptable and no one says anything. I've always preferred being publicly humiliated than having people whisper about me in private and one day just being banned. But that's me.


You might prefer public humiliation, but the majority of people would prefer PMs. It's the same basic principle as warnings, really.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Private messages are better for less public humiliation, but if someone doesn't know about that you cannot get everyone's opinion. May I suggest we simply do it behind closed doors?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are we saying PMs to relevant authority figures here, or a quick PM to whoever crossed over the line? A kind, quiet word to someone asking politely to stop doing something could go far. Wink I suppose it depends upon the offence and other such things really though.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Cloud said it depends on who you PM.

Sending a quick, polite, message to someone when they make a mistake is probably a good idea. But discussing issues you have with another member behind their backs where they have no oppertunity to defend themselves and theres no chance of anyone else adding an alternative perspective or additional information which might affect the situation seems to me to be a perfect way to breed irrational grudges.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A quick PM to whoever crossed the line. If that doesn't work, we have a reporting feature for a reason, you know.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the problem with discussing this in secret areas of the dojo that are only open to mods? That way, we avoid public arguments and still make sure all the relevant people are informed, kind of like what we have been doing, except taking care to keep it out of the public eye. This is what Raven suggested a couple of posts back, and frankly, it seems to be the most sensible option.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good grief, this thread is still here? Yeesh.

I don't understand why people are getting so worked up over *possibly* treating this... person with *a little* disrespect. Did he respect any of you? No, he did not. So why should you waste your time or energy giving him any respect?

Nobody who took action against DLM/Psychonaut has done anything wrong, even in the slightest, as far as I can see. I think it's about time this discussion was over.

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