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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:53 pm    Post subject: More crap. Reply with quote

As if we didn't have enough to focus on, I must report..oh hell. I'm in no mood to type all of it up again.

http://blackstar.inkwell.com.ru/viewtopic.php?t=737

I'll be posting what evidence I can gather, and from there we'll decide the face of Raven's account.

Either way, Thatanos is gone. Permenant Ban. Either a) he hacked another user's account on my forum, gave himself money, or b) he failed to report an irregularity in distribution of funds.

Either one will not fly. So that's decided. Council or not Council.

As for Raven....

Here's what I have. It's an IM conversation from Embri
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4:50:58 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: ? Hello?
5:43:09 PM velocity012345@aim.com: hi
5:43:22 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: Oho, so he does speak... and who art thou?
5:43:52 PM velocity012345@aim.com: Thatanos brave warrior of Blackstar and currently exusted from moving 2 cubic yards of river rock
5:45:17 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: *chuckles* Well, let me update my profiles then Thatanos. My MSN interface for Mac, affectionately known as "the duck", or Adium, doesn't afford me all the shiny features of the Windows version. *hums while she fiddles with the setup*
5:45:52 PM velocity012345@aim.com: HAHA you got it.
5:45:57 PM velocity012345@aim.com: i still have the Pm from you saying you don't
5:46:12 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: That I don't?
5:46:20 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: ... don't have MSN, you mean?
5:46:25 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: I didn't, at the time.
5:46:26 PM velocity012345@aim.com: WLM
5:46:30 PM velocity012345@aim.com: is what i have
5:46:45 PM velocity012345@aim.com: wow it has been a long time i remember when you first came to blackstar
5:47:14 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: ^_^ It has been a long time. At the same time, it seems like just yesterday I stumbled (quite literally) into RPing....
5:47:26 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: Back on Gameware.
5:47:37 PM velocity012345@aim.com: in the Bad bhavior.
5:47:52 PM velocity012345@aim.com: as the cute yet slightly powerful pony horse flame thing
5:48:12 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: Err... whilst that was my youngest appearance, it was not the first.
5:48:19 PM velocity012345@aim.com: LoL
5:48:26 PM velocity012345@aim.com: say your a mod right?
5:48:28 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: My first RP was "EC vs. Gameware"
5:48:31 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: Admin, actually.
5:48:36 PM velocity012345@aim.com: nice
5:48:45 PM velocity012345@aim.com: well i have proper documentation
5:48:47 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: Only for Blackstar.
5:48:53 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: Documentation...?
5:48:55 PM velocity012345@aim.com: and i would like to start a Group
5:49:05 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: Aha! That kind of documentation.
5:49:06 PM velocity012345@aim.com: yes (my spelling sucks monkey pope balls)
5:49:24 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: No problem. Nope, your spelling is fine. The logic, on the other hand...
5:49:32 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: XD (pulling your leg, dear)
5:49:37 PM velocity012345@aim.com: Kingdom of the Elementals

This is a group for those who like to involve there RP characters with the elements such as fire, water, earth, and wind.
5:49:49 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: Ooo. Sounds like fun.
5:49:50 PM velocity012345@aim.com: I would like you to join also
5:49:55 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: I'd be delighted.
5:49:59 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: *bows*
5:50:04 PM velocity012345@aim.com: i have Shee mon in line for second in command
5:50:16 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: You've asked Angel?
5:50:19 PM velocity012345@aim.com: would ou mind puting a pic in your sig
5:50:20 PM velocity012345@aim.com: yes
5:50:27 PM velocity012345@aim.com: and she is going to join
5:50:45 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: *nods* That's good... No, I don't mind adding to my sig. I was actually just thinking about how it's a little barren and boring looking.
5:50:52 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: Haven't changed it in AGES.
Began receiving elemental.jpg (5:51:16 PM)
5:51:28 PM velocity012345@aim.com: mods get that one as a rank in my group
5:51:41 PM velocity012345@aim.com: your thrid highest
Successfully received elemental.jpg (5:51:41 PM)
5:51:41 PM velocity012345@aim.com: it goes
5:51:46 PM velocity012345@aim.com: me Shee mon then you then trot
5:52:11 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: Well, nice to know I outrank Ninjaboy :3
5:52:19 PM velocity012345@aim.com: yeah
5:52:28 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: He's like the goofy kid brother I never had.
5:52:32 PM velocity012345@aim.com: Trot can get rather annoying
5:52:34 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: Sometimes.
5:52:42 PM velocity012345@aim.com: i gave him 10 souls to shut him up
5:52:52 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: But everyone has to start somewhere... my my. That's a lot. O_O
5:52:59 PM velocity012345@aim.com: yes
5:53:04 PM velocity012345@aim.com: intrest is key
5:53:16 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: Yar... I get about 60,000 a month.
5:53:37 PM velocity012345@aim.com: i think i have more then you
5:53:42 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: Oho! So YOU
5:53:50 PM velocity012345@aim.com: 1494003 Souls
5:53:51 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: are the one who bought all the Pocky.
5:53:56 PM velocity012345@aim.com: yep
5:54:00 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: I was wondering where it all went...
5:54:07 PM velocity012345@aim.com: i don't know i logged in one day and bam its gone
5:54:22 PM velocity012345@aim.com: i mean bam i have alot of souls*
5:54:36 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: Eh? You mean all that cash just appeared...?
5:54:38 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: O_o
5:54:40 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: That's not right.
5:54:52 PM velocity012345@aim.com: o please don't take it
5:54:58 PM velocity012345@aim.com: i have been giving it back
5:54:59 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: Someone's been meddling in the Cash MOD again, me thinks... I don't know.
5:55:11 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: I'll have to look at it, but it's not your fault, I don't think.
5:55:17 PM velocity012345@aim.com: i found a nifty glitch
5:55:30 PM velocity012345@aim.com: i hackzorz the blackstar no need to look it up
5:55:36 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: Eh?
5:55:48 PM velocity012345@aim.com: stop or i will have to kill you
5:55:53 PM velocity012345@aim.com: i already found out witch mod
5:56:06 PM velocity012345@aim.com: and if your going to punish anyone punish me
5:56:35 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: *is confused* I'm not about to punish anyone... what glitch are you talking about?
5:56:53 PM velocity012345@aim.com: i was kidding i did not find a glitch
5:57:00 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: Sad It makes me sad to think someone was abusing their mod powers...
5:57:01 PM velocity012345@aim.com: i just don't want anyone to get in trouble
5:57:11 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: It'll put our enconomy on the fritz.
5:57:21 PM velocity012345@aim.com: please don't punish them
5:57:28 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: I'm not going to punnish anyone!
5:57:36 PM velocity012345@aim.com: don't even tell them you know
5:57:39 PM velocity012345@aim.com: please
5:57:47 PM velocity012345@aim.com: if you do i am deader then dead can be
5:58:17 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: I would just like to know why someone is modding your cash.
5:58:26 PM velocity012345@aim.com: and the glitch i am talking about is when i change my souls to yen then yen to souls alot it disappears
5:58:47 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: I was about to investigate why you had so much anyway, since it seems strange.
5:58:53 PM velocity012345@aim.com: damn it
5:59:00 PM velocity012345@aim.com: don't investigate!
5:59:21 PM velocity012345@aim.com: don't do anythign just pretend you did not see it or take some away
5:59:53 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: Well, when an otherwise moderately active user shows up with an Orb of Clear Viewing, I have little choice BUT to investigate. Sad
6:00:08 PM velocity012345@aim.com: o damn it
6:00:26 PM velocity012345@aim.com: Why did i but that junk
6:01:09 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: Raven... I should have known. You do realize that the board tracks ALL cash transactions, right?
6:01:17 PM velocity012345@aim.com: cna just promise me not to remove the mod powers of the user
6:01:40 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: That's not my call. DP's in charge of all appointments and removals, not I.
6:01:49 PM velocity012345@aim.com: god damn it
6:01:52 PM velocity012345@aim.com: i am sexually stimulated
6:02:10 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: Why? You think we don't review the logs regularly anyway?
6:02:12 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: >_>
6:02:24 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: Not a very good admin I would be, if that's the way things were.
6:02:35 PM velocity012345@aim.com: i am not knowing of the logs.
6:03:15 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: ...
6:03:27 PM velocity012345@aim.com: am i still going to get my group and keep my cash or is it all gone
6:03:33 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: As an Admin, I know and see all, short of PM's.
6:03:52 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: You will probably have whatever amount of cash you had before Raven started meddling.
6:04:03 PM velocity012345@aim.com: o great as in nothing
6:04:13 PM velocity012345@aim.com: so no group for me?
6:04:17 PM velocity012345@aim.com: and no items
6:04:22 PM velocity012345@aim.com: and no orb
6:04:31 PM velocity012345@aim.com: and no other crap
6:04:50 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: Look, doing stuff like this destroys our economy!
6:05:26 PM velocity012345@aim.com: no i bought the poo-poo from the stores i donated to the mods
6:05:41 PM velocity012345@aim.com: hell i gave 3kul poo-poo for his birthday
6:06:01 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: I can't continue this right now, I'm afraid Chris.... I don't know what will be done.
6:06:17 PM babysugarberry@hotmail.com: I am being called for dinner. I will look into this further as soon as possible.
6:06:27 PM velocity012345@aim.com: god can i at least have my group?
Thatanos (Chris) went away (6:09:03 PM)
Thatanos (Chris) disconnected (10:27:05 PM)

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can we check IPs and login times? If Thatanos immediatly logged back in after using Raven's account (if that is the case, as I'd like to think it is) he probably wouldn't have reset his IP.

I doubt Thatanos could've hacked phpBB itself, but he could've pulled a social engineering trick on Raven or something of the sort. Of course, there's the chance Raven could've done this for him, but it seems a bit out of character for her.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait velocity is Thatanos?

That explains a lot. I have him permablocked since he was harassing me while 'drunk'

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the bit when he asked Embri to just pretend she hadn't seen anything.

DP, my computer didn't save the conversation he had with me yesterday but the short version is that he offered me one soul if I'd sell 1 share of BSD because he was 'collecting' stock and wanted some of it. He was also boasting about how many shares he had.

I refused as I thought there was something strange about it (and I wasn't overly keen to sell my stock). It did seem strange to me that someone could be on Blackstar enough to earn the kind of money he was implying he had without me knowing who they were, but I never had time to investigate properly.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raven's back on the EC site and she says she's doesn't know a thing. Apparently, she's been grounded the whole time, and she's got Thanatos blocked on MSN. Any ideas?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

0_o
Damn it, and I PMed DP after Net made this post!
*Shakes fist at Net.*
Ahh well, I guess I can confirm what Net has said, according to her, her password was easily crackable at the time.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to add some notes to the conversation, if I may. I suspected Raven of doing something like this initially before I realized the scope, because she had pulled a similar prank in the past on the EC site.

However, I don't believe she's responsible in this case.

1. She didn't gain anything.
2. Raven hasn't shown much interest in collecting Yen or Items.
3. She hasn't been active on Blackstar recently.
4. It's out of character for her.
5. Thatanos didn't even attempt to defend himself when told he was banned permanently, which to me implies guilt.


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(14:26:29) velocity012345@aim.com: why was i banned?
(14:26:36) velocity012345@aim.com: fro getting cash from a mod?
(14:27:11) The Dark Psycho - Back in Black: For not reporting the irregularity.  the yen had to be recorded int he logs with an e notation
(14:27:28) velocity012345@aim.com: if i told you what would have happened
(14:27:32) The Dark Psycho - Back in Black: You didn't find that in the least bit suspicious...and I'm not sure yet it's not for hacking
(14:27:52) The Dark Psycho - Back in Black: Raven would be gone and you wouldn't have been banned
(14:28:17) velocity012345@aim.com: Yes i knew it was Raven but i was going to rat her out.
(14:29:09) velocity012345@aim.com: if i did i would be worse off
(14:29:23) The Dark Psycho - Back in Black: Not according to the log Embri sent me from your conversation with her...You were BEGGING for her not to tell me or raven
(14:29:31) velocity012345@aim.com: and incase you were not told i was giving clues to quite a few people
(14:29:45) The Dark Psycho - Back in Black: I"ve seen the logs
(14:29:48) velocity012345@aim.com: Yes becuase i don't want raven to get in trouble
(14:29:48) The Dark Psycho - Back in Black: I know what you said
(14:30:01) The Dark Psycho - Back in Black: Your a day late and a dollar short.
(14:30:11) velocity012345@aim.com: LoL rather old
(14:30:20) velocity012345@aim.com: o well good bye then.
(14:30:24) velocity012345@aim.com has closed the conversation window.


Those last two comments seem to show that Thatanos doesn't really even care about being part of Blackstar at all, he changes from not wanting Raven told to saying he was going to "rat her out", and no where in there does he express his innocence.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we can all agree that those were some of the poorest cover up excuses we've ever heard. Razz
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's worse than the moon landing Wink.

Are we going to unban Raven or not? I'd probably let her in but cut her mod privileges for a while, at least to be safe.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going to talk to DP about it today, if possible. I really can't see this as being her fault...
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I submit, for the Blackstar Council's approval, one last piece of evidence: this im log from last night...I dare say this alone should get him in hot water with his ISP.


Thatanos, aka In tune sniper09 wrote:

(20:36:31) in tune sniper09: could you stop sending me wash your mouth out! blackstar messages
(20:37:05) xTheDarkPsychox: I wasn't aware Blackstar was sending you any message, I'll remove your email from the account so you'll stop receiving them
(20:37:22) in tune sniper09: thanks
(20:37:33) in tune sniper09: o and i did hack ravens account
(20:37:40) in tune sniper09: she has a wonderful fire wall
(20:38:13) in tune sniper09: it was very fun chageing my cash
(20:38:13) xTheDarkPsychox: Whatever...I'm beyond caring
(20:38:16) in tune sniper09: careful DP
(20:38:25) in tune sniper09: you might be next LOL
(20:39:07) xTheDarkPsychox: Do you think you can deal? I understand how the computer works on an electron level. You *think* you know, but trust me, you don't.
(20:39:14) xTheDarkPsychox: Plus, I run linux Razz
(20:39:27) in tune sniper09: one way or another
(20:39:4Cool xTheDarkPsychox: again, I am beyond the point of caring...
(20:39:49) in tune sniper09: hold on i need to download the program to get onto blackstar agian
(20:41:13) xTheDarkPsychox: don't tell me, another damned script kiddie thinks he can hack because he knows how to download and run a file...sad
(20:41:2Cool in tune sniper09: naw
(20:41:45) in tune sniper09: i just found a nifty tool hidden in my moms cmop that i put into mine


I suppose this pretty much clears Raven...but it still doesn't explain the IP deal...

I should also note this prompted me to contact Violet (admin-type dude, not GBE's character), and get his IP added to Inkwell's ban list...so now he has no access to ANY inkwell site.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What IP deal.....?

Well, at least we can give a sigh of relief that Raven really is innocent. I knew Thantanos was trouble, but, that much of a nuisance is fairly annoying to be quite honest.

Are we absolutely sure he's not just going to get a new comp, or run the net through his mums comp and start pissing around with blackstar again...?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The IP, or Internet Protocol Address (The A is usually infered), is a 4-byte number used to identify a computer on the internet. For example, [url]64.91.253.126[/url] is Inkwell's IP Address. Servers aren't the only things with IP addresses. Users have IP addresses too. Take DP's for example: 12.218.71.24 (I presume this is alright, but I'll remove it if not). The IP address can be used to get a user's ISP's (or Internet Service Provider) name, among other things.

All internet-bound 'packets' (Packets contain data, sorta like an internet postcard. They're used to send webpages and the like between computers) contain a receiving IP at the very least, from what I know. The IP is used to tell computers where to send the packet. Most packets also have a return IP address, which is used to tell a computer where to send the reply to a packet.

As most (if not all) HTTP (Hypertext Transfer Protocol. A Protocol is sorta like a language computers use to communicate over the internet) 'packets' include a return IP address, it is possible to filter out and ignore packets from certain IP addresses, much like a spam filter (only more complex). That is called an IP ban.

As a moderator, we have access to people's IP addresses. However, we should try to avoid distributing IP addresses out of the moderator-only forum without a good reason (IE: A user has commited a crime), as an IP address can be used to hack into another's computer. Whilst a hacker could just hack into Inkwell, it's still possible (and indeed likly in the case of another like Thanatos) for a hacker to take an IP address and use a prescripted (IE premade) exploit to take over a computer and cause major, potentially irreversible damage.

The phrase 'script kiddie' is applied to a hacker who hijacks a computer system using a prescripted exploit (hence the name). These hackers don't need to be particularly smart to gain access to a system, and because of this they are usually dumb enough to cause severe harm to a system without thinking of the potential consequences.

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I bet the little asshole's using a proxy. An IP ban probably won't work. Five bucks says we ban his email address and he won't have a clue what's going on Wink.

...What do you mean hot water from his ISP? Surely you don't intend to send that to his ISP? That seems a bit harsh. Then again, it'd be a way to let his parents know, which is probably one of the most moral ways to deal with him.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mostly right on your tech description.

But you never truely appreciate IP addresses until you have to break down and analyze them. By hand.

And Net, ir's already done. He had an account, email, and IP ban...and the IP ban doesn't let him access anything on inkwell, not just Blackstar.

I should also note that such an activity as he admited to right there is a violation of almost all ISP's Terms of Service agreement. These ISP's depend on us webmasters and site administrators to enforce this. Plus it's the most legal way to get him in trouble with his parents. Harsh, maybe, but he'd think twice about hacking while he's grounded and his entire family has no internet.

Plus as a Computer Engineer, True Hacker, and all around Geek, script kiddies pi$$ the hell out of me.

Edit: and that is my IP address, but you can't get access to any one computer from that unless I tell my router to let you. and ropservenet.homeip.net is much easier to remember Wink

Edit 2: That is also the same IP address he made 204 post from over the lifetime of his account (which is about halfway down the member list, or bottom of page 1)

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ideal location for an item test
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