The Stock Market

Fort · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:07 pm Post subject: The Stock Market

I'm interested in competing in the Blackstar Stock Market, but I really don't want to compete with the Market, if it's just based on Random Numbers.

Is there a way that it can be based on the amount of money a certain corporation owns? I.E. Collective amount held by the members?

UncleAsriel · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:56 pm Post subject:

Sorry, I don't quite follow you. I took economics (I dropped it for a reason even now I don't quite understand) and could give you a hand with the system. The Sensei (aka DP) spoke with me about this: apparently they've fixed some bugs with it so that the market values don't fluctuate so much anymore.

Simply put: watch the market over a couple of days. Buy a stock while it is at a low point, and wait it out. Then, sell when it's high.

There's no way we could set market values on anything other than random numbers. In business, a corporation's market value is set by the demand for the corporation's good or service.

Let's say two corporations, Fisheez Inc and Stick-o-rama Inc, are in the business of selling fish sticks. Both of their products are the exact same, at first. Then Fisheez comes up with a new recipe that is so much tastier than before, making more people buy their product. Fisheez stock would go up in comparison to to Stick-o-rama (stick-o-rama may lose business in this regard, causing some stock drops).

Then, Stick-o-rama discovers a way to produce more stick faster than their competition. Stick-o-rama may face a stock increase, while Fisheez does not change. Fisheez copies this technology, giving them a heads up with their better taste, giving them a one-up.

A fire caused by unsafe work practices causes Fisheez to lose stock value. Stick-o-rama's board of directors gets caugth in a drunken binge, their stock values drops. And so on.

We'd need admins to run the market 24/7, modifiying everyone's stores as their reputation goes up or down. Too much work.

Sorry Fort, but random numbers would work best. Unless we base our stock on real-world market values....

Fort · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:16 pm Post subject:

I wasn't thinking along the lines of reputation, but on the amount of money the store gains from items being bought, or, through the amount of money held by each member.

Basicaly I was thinking extra money = extra stock increase

But this is what you say is the entire problem of the matter, which I don't fully understand.
Are you saying there is no forumla that can be used to work out the stock through the amount money the corporation gets?

Miyanokouji · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:25 pm Post subject:

I'm sure a formula could be arranged, but it'd take a hell of a lot of work. And while it would be a fun experiment, it's perhaps something that should be low on a priorities list.

LordPsycho · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:42 pm Post subject:

I'm thinking...most of the stocks are tied to a person or group....Hmm...Yessss....

Zerrer · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:47 pm Post subject:

plus, 10% of the store profit could up the stocks instead of adding to the owner's money, while decreasing inflation.

hrmm...
[Brain hurting stuff]
HS = Hypothetical Stock
TOS = total of stocks
s m v c n x z d = Variables

okay, now for the actual calculating

HS = s

HS store = 3 items for m each

1 bought for m

m - v% = c

c goes to HS store owner

v% of m = z

z \ TOS = Hypothetical number (x) Probably fraction

HS = HS + x

therefore HS equals x

but now to decrease value...

then n% of TOS = (d)

TOS - d = new stocks
[/Brain hurting stuff]

I know nothing of coding or economics, but i tried...

EDIT: and for a stock of a clan or somthing without a store...

[Even more brain hurting stuff]
TOP = total of posts by clan members since last stock change
HCS = Hypothetical Clan Stock
TOS = total of stocks
s m v c n x z d = Variables

v% of TOP = m

m + HCS = new HCS
[/even more brain hurting stuff]

Miyanokouji · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:14 pm Post subject:

DP: We could tie shops to stock corporations or vice versa, and have an inrease of one in the stock for that corp whenever stock was bought from that shop, and a decrease of one every N hours that nothing was bought from the shop, or have it run for every N items bought in a different shop with a linked stock corp. It's simple, and it would work.

LordPsycho · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:35 pm Post subject:

I"m working up a different formula that ties the stock to the associated account's net worth...or in the case of groups, that group's average net worth.

However, said system will be a LONG time in the works.

Fort · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:04 pm Post subject:

Do you mean I made an interesting suggestion?
Woot! Wink

@Zerrer: That's very complicated, and so uncomprehendable to the mere slack-jawed Yokel like me it has got to work!

Goron40 · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:36 pm Post subject:

Three things to add here:

1)Holy Crap it's Uncle Asriel.

2)Zerrer, please make that image in your sig a little less wide, not all of us have widescreens.

3)I suggested this a few months ago when the system was first being made, but DP said NOOOOO, Goron isn't good enough for me to listen to him. Razz

Zerrer · Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:22 am Post subject:

i decided to try making the thing actually comprehendable. lets see if it is with less variables

Hypothetical Stock = 156.2

Hypothetical Store has 3 items for 1000 yen each

1 item bought for 1000

1000 yen minus 10% = 900

so 900 yen goes to the store owner

while we divide the rest, (100) by the Total number of stocks in the whole thing = 5000, so 100 \ 5000 = .5

then we add .5 stocks to the hypothetical stock

therefore Hypothetical Stock = 156.7

but now to decrease value...

then 1% of Total Stocks = 500

then we remove 500 from all stocks (not individually, but collectivly)

i hope it's legible now..
oh, and goron, i didn't see your post so don't get mad..

Fort · Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:32 am Post subject:

Ahhh. I think I see.
I think...