Drlupinmario's Return

3kul · Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 8:31 am Post subject: Drlupinmario's Return

To quickly review for those of you with short memories/better things to do than trawl through numerous threads of Dojo history, drlupinmario is somebody who has been banned twice from Blackstar.

The first time he was banned was because he screwed around with the wiki in what I assume to be a big way (I never saw it myself). To be precise (and the best way to do this is to quote DP), he was "banned indefinitely" for this.

The second time he was banned was after he appeared under a new username, Psyconaut8. He was surprisingly transparent in doing so, attempting to take DLM's old characters on as his own, complaining about how unfair DLM's banning was and even having 'drlupinmario@...' as his e-mail. I believe that his attempt to bribe DP into allowing him to "officially" re-enter Blackstar was the final straw, and it resulted in a 12 - 0 vote in favour of permenant banination.

So with that little history lesson out of the way, uh, what's up with DLM suddenly reappearing? My guess is that he's gone and snuck his way in here somehow, and if that's the case, how'd he do it?

EDIT: I don't want to go jumping to conclusions here (which is a real shame, because I haven't gone gun-jumping on something like this in quite some time), but is this for real?

Cirrial · Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:03 pm Post subject:

He just irks me for reasons I'm unable to put my finger on exactly, but as I wasn't present for the actual occassions warranting banning I can't fairly make a decision either way. People do change. I know that for a fact. Whether DLM's changed has yet to be revealed, although he's been more than a little eager to go on a posting binge in a short amount of time.

Personally, if I was permabanned twice, I wouldn't be leaping and posting a topic on The Wilds within my arrival. Do we have something like probation? It doesn't seem right to have a twice-permabanned member act like nothing's happened. Posting a comeback thread in the form of copy-pasted song lyrics doesn't feel like an apology. It feels more like an "up yours, Blackstar!".

If this is an authorised return, I shall say no more and do my best to be welcoming, because I've known people this annoying end up less annoying after a while. Having said that, I've known people this annoying who end up grating terribly, and if this is an unauthorised return I raise no objection to an immediate and hopefully more lasting permaban.

(I'm also surprised I'm still an admin despite my tendancy to be here one moment and gone the next, but this is a completely unrelated matter.)

Coolpikaaa · Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:48 pm Post subject:

Ok guys.

I suppose I should post, because I (strangely) know exactly what has happened. About a month ago, I received an Email form DLM who had been searching for some time to an Email of one of the Admins at Blackstar. He had found mine on a old site, and mistaking me for someone higher up, sent me a very thought out letter requesting his unbanishment. I told DP, and decided to talk to DLM for a while myself.

I found him being quite honest in admitting what he had done wrong, and after a few weeks, I managed to get him through to DP. I guess DP approved him, because here he is.

His intentions are straight RP wise from what he has told me, and although he is totally on probation here, I think we should trust DP's Judgement.

I would also like to remind you, that if records are correct, DLM still has an orb of clear viewing.

-coolpikaaa

Swix · Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:18 pm Post subject:

3kul · Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:56 pm Post subject:

I get the same impression as Cirrial, DLM just rubs me the wrong way most of the time... I don't know how apologetic he was to DP but if it's on par with how 'apologetic' he's been to the rest of us in his thread then DP's developed some unbelievably low standards Razz

But anyway, obviously I can't go assuming too much since DP hasn't gone and given us the facts here, but if this whole thing turns out to be true then I guess my major gripe is why does it take 12 staff members (and somehow this has magically increased to 14... Or maybe I just misread it?) to decide on DLM's banishment but only one to bring him back?

And before anybody says it, I know that DP is the grand high everything around here, and that he gets the final say in anything, but why even bother letting your staff members have a say if you're just going to overturn their decision all by yourself at a later date?

Shaon · Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:52 pm Post subject:

Okay, I may be a jerkle, and I don't exactly post here often, but I am not liking this. At all.

Not to mention, practically the first thing he has done since he has been back is spam me.

It actively interrupted what I was doing (in this case, making backups of several stories I wrote here), and contained very little substance. It's spam if I've ever seen it.

Just would like to point this out.

Cirrial · Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:35 pm Post subject:

I received a PM from DLM which, among other things, verified the theory that he could read everything here on Closed Doors as we were posting.

Some may say it's rash but I don't think it's right that he should be able to read Closed Doors, Orb or no Orb. Other Orb users haven't been given that right.

I've disallowed his access to this particular sub-forum nonetheless. If DP or another admin thinks I've overstepped my boundaries by doing this, then I accept the consequences of my actions.

As for the actual contents of the PM, I present them here unaltered with no additional commentary.

3kul · Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:23 am Post subject:

3kul · Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:44 am Post subject:

I know that bumping this thread might annoy some people, but I'm still waiting to hear any kind of response from you on on this one DP. These are the questions that I would like to see answered:

1) Why is 'permanent banishment' not permanent?
2) Why ask all of your staff members to vote on something if you aren't going to ask us all to vote on undoing it?
3) Seeing as it's the sort of thing that just about any of us might take the wrong way, why not even mention this to us (or anybody, aside from DLM himself obviously) before DLM reappears? Note that we only ended up taking him for his word because of CP's assumption that you've given it the okay.

And to end on a less staff-oriented/more general question:
4) Why should I or anybody else here ever bother to obey the rules if simply apologizing to you is enough to get people out of the maximum punishment that can be given to them?

Please don't get the wrong impression here, as it's not like I'm attacking you or anything, I'm just a little surprised and disappointed that it's already been almost a full month and we've still heard absolutely nothing on this issue from you.

Swix · Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:29 pm Post subject:

Well, it looks like it didn't take too long for DLM to gingerly begin to step a toe over the line, just have a look at this beauty in the Training Dojo thread you, 3kul, started a long time ago Razz

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3kul · Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:56 am Post subject:

If I were feeling in a more suspicious mood, I'd say that it looks like he's testing the waters, but really, there's no rules against sharing stuff with each other. Even if it wasn't free, shareware is by definition something that is fully intended to be shared around. Is it really so different to back when we were all talking about and playing with the Spore Creature Creator trial?

If we were to start cracking down on things like this it'd get ridiculous pretty quickly.

Wolfinstein 3D is quite a well known piece of archaic gamery imo (I'm more familiar with Duke Nukem myself, but from the sounds of things they're fairly similar), the only thing he's done wrong here imo is post a direct link to it, and that's just my opinion (I just think that it's more courteous to link to the actual site rather than only the download).

Swix · Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:24 am Post subject:

I know, I know. But so is megaupload, rslinks, zerosec etc. He just gave me a big shock, and it was about 3 am (though I suppose it was fortunate I still had wits enough to go see if that was ok) and you didn't post a direct link on the message boards, you did it through PM Razz

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Anyway, it's sorted now. Hopefully if he does that again he'll at least give us the courtesy of telling us where he got it from (or what it actually is, as apparently it's the demo anyway)

Shaon · Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:07 am Post subject:

Oh, look at this.

It seems that I have an insulting PM by a... Dr. Lupin-Mario.

Cirrial · Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:18 pm Post subject:

Right, Shaon et all, I've listened to your PM-related complaints and have sent DLM a formal warning. It kind of feels crushing to have to do this so soon, given the progress he seemed to have made in being courteous and considerate elsewhere.

If anyone else feels harassed, please report it to me. It seems like I'm the only active admin currently, with DP seemingly disappearing without a trace.

I'm a little worried I'm getting close to overstepping my boundaries, and it doesn't help that DP's never exactly explained to me where my boundaries even are. However, I'm absolutely sure DP wouldn't just stand by idly while members of Blackstar get abusive PMs thrown at them.

Also, if any of you, the moderators, feel I'm starting to cross any lines, tell me sooner rather than later. I'm trying to act for the greater benefit of everyone here, not abuse the power DP's trusted me with.

3kul · Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:17 am Post subject:

That last one's getting a little nasty, though it seems that he's frustrated by your continued accusations that he doesn't know what powerplaying is. He is (in a rather poorly worded manner) requesting that you explain it for him, giving examples based on posts that aren't his own to help him understand.

I definitely don't approve of or like how DLM acted or treated you in this instance Shaon, but you really could've responded in a less antagonizing manner here. Your initial response is dripping with patronizing sarcasm (as you yourself somewhat acknowledge), and what was with the comment "I can't help that you've brought my wrath down upon yourself"... Any chance you could explain that for us, please?

I feel a little similar to Cirrial on this one, it's very disappointing to see DLM suddenly slip up after seeming to try so earnestly to improve himself in a number of RPs that I've seen him in.

However, I also think that it's the kind of thing worthy of a warning and not a banning, if only because it's blatantly obvious that there's animosity between you two. As I said to you earlier in this thread, "if you don't like it, just ask that he not PM you anymore".