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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 7:45 am Post subject: |
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Obviously. What I was curious about was the difference between pokemon knowing moves from when they were born and having to level up to get certain moves. I'm a little confused between the difference between a level up move and an egg move in some cases, as Spore is already a level up move for Shroomish... but it's also an egg move?
Does this mean that if it's already a level up move for that particular pokemon, it automatically becomes an egg move (eg: Razor Leaf for a lvl 1 Bulbasaur?). |
Essentially, yes, but BOTH parents must know the move. Let's say you have two high level pokemon, both of whom know, oh... let's take Flamethrower. Vulpix (F) and Growlithe (M). Any eggs that hatch would baby Lv.1 Vulpixes with Flamethrower. Now, let's say the parent Vulpix also knew Confuse Ray. Confuse Ray is on Vulpix's Level Up list, but because Growlithe doesn't know it as well, it doesn't get passed on.
TM's -> Passed on by Male -> Must be learnable by the baby.
Egg Moves -> Passed on by Male -> Must be on EGG MOVE list of baby.
Lv. Up Moves -> Passed on by both parents -> Baby must have the move on it's eventual Lv. Up list (level at which it's learned doesn't matter), and BOTH parents know the move.
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| I can't remember where I've heard this before, but apparently the odds of encountering a Shiny were much lower in the older games. |
False, I think... in G/S/C... (WARNING: MATH ALERT! MATH ALERT!)
There are 16 x 16 x 16 x 16 x 16 x 16 possible stat combinations, or 16,777,216 different possible pokemon DV sets.
Of those, the ones that produce Shinys are:
~ Attack can be 2, 3, 6, 7, 10, 11, 14, or 15 (50%)
~ Defense, Speed and the Specials must be 10
~ As a result, HP will either be 0 or 8
So, 16 different possible combos that yield a shiny. That's one in a million, roughly. Hm, doesn't seem right, since I'm pretty sure shiny's are more common than that. Anyone else remember the exact odds for G/S/C?
Your odds of getting a Shiny aren't any better or worse than previous advance generation games (though I've heard rumors about the PokeRadar and that possibly making shinys more frequent - be aware this is a RUMOR and I've not confirmed it, it's probably not true). However, how you get a shiny is a bit different, or at least it was changed from the G/S/C days - back then, specific IV sets gave a shiny, but since R/S/E shiny's haven't had fixed IV's, instead they count on the RNG (random number generator) which assigns a value to each pokemon. _________________
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Embri's right.
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| Shiny Pokémon are not necessarily better than regular Pokémon, but in the metal (Gold, Silver, and Crystal) generation games, they have a 10 (in 0-15 range) gene in Defense, Speed and Special. The Attack gene is either 2, 3, 6, 7, 10, 11, 14, or 15. ([8/16]*[1/16]^3 = 1/8192 probability.) In the GBA generation, however, "shininess" is not determined by the genes, but by another value and are effectively the same as any other Pokémon in battle. |
I think the chances are still the same in the GBA games, even though it's determined in a different way.
Breeding a shiny pokemon in G/S/C would mean an increased chance of a shiny egg, wouldn't it? If IVs are passed down through parents, and shiny pokemon are determined by IV stats... _________________ [quote="Sephirothsicase"]Bah, Give me 2 days and a load of napalm...[/quote]
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Exactly, that's why a Shiny Ditto was so sought after in G/S/C, and the fact there was a trade/tradeback trick to get one using the Red Gyarados.
1/8192 is correct though, and as far as I know that has always been the rarity of a Shiny. Not one in a million, 'cause I've seen at least six or seven over the years and I haven't battled 7 million wild pokemon.
Red Gyarados - Set event, Silver
Yellow Spearow - Silver, Wild, caught
Purple Drowzee - Gold, Wild, Caught
All Green Oddish - Sapphire, Safari Zone, ran away (darn it. )
Red Makuhita - Ruby, Wild, Caught
Brown-orange Graveller - Ruby, Selfdestructed (*sigh*)
Gold Riolu - Pearl, Egg Hatched, no need to catch. :3
So far my favorite is Shuriken, my Lucario which evolved from the shiny Riolu I hatched.
Current Team prepping to take on the E4:
Embri - Rapidash - Lv. 58
Triton - Milotic - Lv. 54
Topiara - Torterra - Lv. 53
Shuriken - Lucario - Lv. 45
Planning on getting high 50's - low 60's for all four, then sweeping the E4 easily.  _________________
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 12:21 am Post subject: |
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Apparently the egg that you were given in G/S/C from the daycare couple had a much higher chance of being a shiny.
I haven't seen many shiny pokemon in my games before, I can remember them pretty easily though:
* Red Gyrados - everyone knows this one
* Blue Machoke - Crystal, wild, caught (evolved into grey Machamp)
* Green Ursaring - Crystal, Knocked Out...
That's all sadly, I haven't ever seen a shiny pokemon in any of the other games.
EDIT: Oh cool, now that I've caught every Unown in the game, catching Hippopotas is really easy . I also caught a bunch of Carnivine in the Great Marsh/Safari Zone earlier on today, so if anybody wants either or both of those just let me know and I'll be happy to trade . _________________ If I'm not here, I'm probably over at...
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 10:53 am Post subject: |
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Yes, I've heard that too, that the egg from the Daycare couple had a much higher shiny chance. Probably had some set IV's.
Sent the E4 and the Champ (finally, a girl Champion! Huzzah!) packing, with my team of four. Also carted along a Raichu and a Crobat from GTS, but I didn't use them very much.
Just have Azleaf and Uxie to catch, and then I get my National Dex~! *rubs hooves together in glee* _________________
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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I just caught Dialga (Named Aetus Latin for Time, Era, Age, etc) and Uxie (I forgot what I named it, kermit!) today. Wewt. Yeh, my Empoleon (Named Gelupenna, literally means Frost Feather) whooped that Dialga's metal rear! > Raaawwwrrrr!!!!
Anyway... Meh, that math that just spewed out of Embri's mouth hurt my brain. x3x Anyway, I'm heading for the 8th gym after I catch the Uxie's wittle friends!
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I need to set up my WFC stuff so I can trade with you guys (and horse, mlya~)! My DS has to recharge, I had been using it all day... Meh, anyway, you people (and horse, mlya~) may get back to yer fancy-pants math and EVs and such. _________________ Not just a future.
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 5:55 am Post subject: |
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Caught Palkia today with a single Net Ball, which was surprisingly easy. I guess because it's also water type? It was more of a long shot to use the Net Ball, but I'm happy that it worked out.
What else have I gotten recently... Oh, I found myself a female Gible if anybody wants one of those (I'm not a huge fan of dragon types myself though), and a couple of Finneon if you want one of them for whatever reason.
My team's looking pretty decent too. Currently it consists of:
* Mismagius (lv 42 - Shadow Ball, Psybeam, Pain Split, Perish Song)
* Luxray (lv 45 - Crunch, Ice Fang, Thunder Fang, Charge)
* Vespiquen (lv 41 - Toxic, Swagger, Attack Order, Heal Order)
* Infernape (lv 41 - Mach Punch, Torment, Flame Wheel, Close Combat)
* Empoleon (lv 41 - Metal Claw, Brine, Surf, Peck)
* Staraptor (lv 40 - Close Combat, Fly, Quick Attack, Aerial Ace)
I'll probably be ditching Staraptor before I go up against the Elite Four though, it's really only around because it can Fly (and it used to be the only one to know Close Combat). Both Infernape and Empoleon have some pretty poor movesets atm, since I'm not exactly sure what I want from them just yet and I'm not totally familiar with the movesets that the game has for them (so far it's looking kinda crap though, Infernape hasn't learnt a new fire move since it was like, lvl 20 ).
Ah, now that I'm thinking of Luxray though, I've remembered that I've got a heap of baby Shinx with Ice Fang. I had to breed heaps to get one with the nature that I wanted, so I've got about 20 left over . Good if you're just starting the game and you want a weak pokemon with a powerful move, but I guess that people here would be more interested in using them for breeding. Well, either way, if anybody here wants one, let me know. _________________ If I'm not here, I'm probably over at...
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 9:54 am Post subject: |
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Palkia and Dialga are actually quite easy to caputre - they have catch rates of 30, compared to most legendaries which have a catch rate of 3.
Hm, Ice Fang? Sounds pretty interesting, though Shinx and it's evos on the whole aren't so great - slow electrics, ugh.
I've got a crazy long list of trades...and I'm thinking of putting some of my pokes up for sale. ; ) Stay tuned...
I got a 10 ANNIV Latias, Latios, Lugia, and SPACE C Deoxys last night for some of my bred little ones, so you can imagine how good they are.  _________________
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 5:58 am Post subject: |
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Woo! I just beat the Elite Four! And with that I've got the National Dex to boot, awesome.
I ended up copying Embri's strategy of levelling up to around 60 to do it, which made things heaps easier (in previous games I used to just rush straight in, then save and restart dozens of times to just barely scrape through). I used the same team that I said I was using in my last post, with Empoleon at 62, Luxray at 58, Infernape at 58 and Mismagius at 61. I more or less left Vespiquen at 44 and Staraptor at 40, just using them if I needed to use an item or two to recover one of my stronger pokemon.
I don't know about Shinx and it's evos being slow though Embri, my lvl 58 Luxray's Speed is one of it's best stats (154). True it's got a Jolly nature to help with that, but I don't think that boosts it that much, does it? I'm kinda doubting myself though, considering that you've managed to score such awesome trades you probably know a lot better than I do
Now to do some National Dex stuff! Tonight's swarm is... Farfetch'd. Not the greatest of pokemon but I guess it's pretty rare, so that's got to count for something, right? .
EDIT: Now I have Skitty swarms, I think that I went overboard with the Poke Radar and caught a few too many though... Anybody want a Skitty or five?  _________________ If I'm not here, I'm probably over at...
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 8:13 am Post subject: |
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Hey, I don't have a Farfetch'd yet... *makes cute eyes at 3kul* Trade me one? I've got gooood stufffff! Heh... I'll take a Skitty too. :3
Luxray is slow. Base stats are as follows...
HP:80
AT: 120
DF: 79
SATK: 95
SDEF: 79
SPD: 70
(In comparison, Jolteon has Base Speed 130, Electrode has 140, and even Raichu has 100. Luxray is as slow as Magneton without the great typing.)
Speed is it's worst stat... so if your Luxray has very high speed compared to it's other stats, it's probably got a very good IV in Speed (plus the 10% nature boost) and terrible IV's in everything else. :/
Trades last night:
(Traded away - Received)
Milotic Lv. 2 for Gliscor Lv. 4
Chikorita for Delcatty
Eevee (Male) for Gible (Male) with Dragon Claw and Dig _________________
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 3:22 am Post subject: |
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Hahaha, maybe, I'm not too sure how to work out IV's though. Most IV calculators that I've tried before want EV values too, but I don't know what they are for any of my pokemon (I've never kept track of that kind of thing).
I'm not sure how good Luxray's other stats are compared to other Luxrays, but she seems to work pretty well .
3kul's Luxray - lvl 58
HP: 182
AT: 165
DF: 111
SATK: 130
SDEF: 98
SPD: 154
All of her attacks are physically based though (Ice Fang, Thunder Fang, Crunch and then Charge if I want to power up Thunder Fang), so I guess I don't really mind about the other stats so much - as long as she's got decent speed and attack I'm happy .
Sounds like more interesting trading for you there Embri, though I'm not sure about the Gible being all that great (it learns those moves naturally, doesn't it? ). If you want a Farfetch'd or a Skitty, I'm happy to trade for... Just about anything really . As good as getting the National Dex is it makes it look like I've got nothing now (which I guess is more or less true, having seen only 150-something out of 450-something pokemon). _________________ If I'm not here, I'm probably over at...
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 9:49 am Post subject: |
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It does learn those naturally... but not at Lv. 1. Which is why I wanted it.
*pulls out trade list* Okee then... here we go...
EMBRI'S TRADE LIST OF MEGA AWESOMENESS:
Random Stuff:
Lv. 43 Female Lucario / Lax / Water Pulse / Dark Pulse / Metal Sound / Close Combat. Japanese.
Lv. 29 DITTO, MODEST NATURE, Wild Caught in Pearl by me. Very Good offers only.
Lv. 12 & Lv. 8 Combee Females, Gentle & Naive
Lv. 25 Milotic Female, Mild Nature, Used for breeding previously. Has Water Pulse/Twister/Recover/Captivate.
Lv. 22 Croagunk, Female, Naughty.
Lv. 2 Male Leafeon, Naughty, Lv. 3 Leafeon Bold
Lv. 7 Glaceon Docile
Lv. 24 Skorupi Male, Modest.
Lv. 51 Roserade, Female, Jolly, Toxic/Petal Dance/Aromatherapy/Synthesis
Lv. 31 Monferno, Male, Quiet.
Lv. 15 Eevees, Daycare raised, Quirky, Bold and Impish.
Lv. 16 Lombre, Female, Serious (Pal Parked)
Lv. 22 Carnivine, Female, Quirky
~Hatched by Me with Good Movesets~
Porygon Lv. 1 Various Natures Sharpen/Icebeam/Thunderbolt/Shadow Ball. Genderless.
Lv. 1 Snorlax / Adamant / Tackle / Curse / Earthquake. Two Female, Three Male.
Lv. 1 Feebas / Mild / Surf / Ice Beam. Two Female, 1 Male. Like Dry flavor, so can evolve into Milotic easily.
Lv. 1 Staryu / Various Natures / Harden / Psychic / Thunderbolt / Ice Beam. Genderless.
Scyther Lv. 1 Various Natures X-Scissor/Night Slash/Double Team/False Swipe. Males.
~Newly Hatched without Special Movesets or Natures (All Lv. 1)~
(M=Male, F=Female, number after letter indicates how many of each.)
Riolu (M6/F2), Magby (M6/F2), Growlithe (M2/F1), Vulpix (F1), Piplup (M4, 1 Modest, 2 Adamant), Chimchar (M3), Turtwig (M1 Serious/F1 Sassy), Treeko (M2, Docile/Modest), Mudkip (M3, 1 Adamant), Cyndaquil (M3, 1 Timid), Totodile (M4, 1 Adamant), Chikorita (M2, 1 Adamant), Burmy (M5/F4), Heracross (M1/F2)
Eevees bred for Excellent IV's - Please Inquire, various Natures available.
Can Produce on Request:
Charmander, Torchic, Squirtle, Bulbasaur, Eevee, Phanpy, Teddiursa, Lotad, Gible, Larvitar, Dratini, Bagon, Zigzagoon, Duskull, Houndour, Yanma, Lapras, Stantler, Cubone, Tangela, Aipom, Spiritbomb, Kecleon, Cranidos, Shieldon, Snorunt, Magnemite, Trapinch, Ralts, Exeggcute, Skarmory, Mareep, Shroomish, Togepi, Tyrogue, Absol, Munchlax, Rhyhorn, Aron, Swinub, Aerodactyl, Omanyte, Kabuto, Lileep, Anorith, Gligar, Pinsir, Drifloon, Corphish, Diglett, Mankey. _________________
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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I got pretty close to beating the Pokemon League... Bah! But then again, not a single pokemon of mine is lvl 60. Well, no GOOD pokemon of mine... I like my Luxray (Electra, creative name, huh?) 'cause she had gotten me so far into the game... But perhaps she is weak, I don't do all that EV/IV/PC/POO-PEE training, I try not to take the game so seriously...
Hummm... Maybe if I can get my Wi-Fi settings to work I can get a Skitty from you, 3kul. But then again, I'm too lazy to breathe!  _________________ Not just a future.
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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It's EV/IV, and it's not that complicated... my 11 year old cousin manages quite well.
All it takes is a bit of learning and patience - and it produces spectacular results. EV's alone can mean a 20% difference in a single stat or more. Add to that proper nature and IV's, and you can be talking a very significant increase indeed. _________________
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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I know, I was just joking around! It's just that I'm not very... patient. I just train wherever, fight whatever pokemon, and do whatever I need to do.
That and mining. I don't need to mine, but I can't help it. Is there only one kind of fossil? I've been getting the same fossils, and it's kinda annoying now...  _________________ Not just a future.
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