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Which do you perfer?
Pokemon Diamond
16%
 16%  [ 3 ]
Pokemon Pearl
11%
 11%  [ 2 ]
Pokemon Fire Red
5%
 5%  [ 1 ]
Pokemon Leaf Green
5%
 5%  [ 1 ]
Pokemon Emerald
5%
 5%  [ 1 ]
Pokemon Sapphire
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Pokemon Ruby
5%
 5%  [ 1 ]
Pokemon Crystal
27%
 27%  [ 5 ]
None
22%
 22%  [ 4 ]
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But what can you do with a size 99 Orb? Confused
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trade 'em for better stuff than you get for smaller orbs, of course. Razz Keep checking back with the hikers every day, especially the decoration ones, as they often want large spheres for some items (Wii game system, Pokemon Center Heal machine, Snorlax Doll, Clefairy Doll, etc.)

Sorry CP, I've already got a Helix Fossil off of GTS, so I don't really need one right now...

I've finished my collection of all the starters (1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th generation) so if anyone needs an egg or two, give me a poke. I also got a Snorlax! ^_^ Now I just have to find a Full Incense...

Pokemon I got yesterday:
Bulbasaur
Dratini
Mudkip
Larvitar (x2)
Scyther
Growlithe
Vulpix
Bagon
Snorlax
Trapinch

Yeah, so if you're desperate for something on the list above, I'm sure I can convince my Ditto to "co-operate" and pony up an egg. >.> (I feel sorry for Ditto...)

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok so no one really seems to like the helix fossil idea....

HOW ABOUT SOME OLD AMBER??

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found a Full Incense. What exactly does it do? And why do you need to find one?
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I recall, Incenses seem like normal hold items, but they're actually special ones - the only way you can get some baby pokemon (like Wynaut and a few others) is to have the parent hold the right incense when you leave them at the Day-Care Centre.

I'm assuming that by giving a female Snorlax a Full Incense, you can make it breed successfully and get yourself a Munchlax.

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uh... Actually, I think it's the other way around 3kul...

Give your Munchlax a full essence, and he or she will evolve. Cuz... Y'know... Being full and stuff. Munchlax would be full, stop eating, take a relaxing nap with a yummy smelling essence floating all around him... Oh look it's a snorlax!

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And you can just about do anything with a size 99 orb. A lot of the rarer items in the underground cost more than eighty or so orbs at times- but the hikers down there will take orbs that are over the size they want and still give you the item. Just because he says 'I want a size 18 blue orb' doesn't mean you need to specifically give him a size 18 blue orb. =p If you have anything that's 18 and up, he'll take it and still give you the item.

Size 99 just ensures that you always have a chance to always get what you want, because nothing is higher than that.

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope, 3kul is quite correct, Ashen. The various incense items are used to obtain the Baby forms of various Pokemon.

For example, a Marill or Azumarill holding a Sea Incense (either parent, doesn't matter who holds it) will yield Azuril eggs, while without the hold item, you'll get Marill eggs.

This can be quite important since Baby pokemon and their evolved forms often have varying Egg Moves.

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never really did get to understand egg moves. What are they?
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Egg moves are pretty cool, and they're a good way to get the use of a TM more than once. Basically an egg move is a move that a parent passes on to a baby pokemon, and usually it's a move that they can't otherwise learn (otherwise it's kind of pointless Razz).

For example, if I were to breed a male Quilava that knows Flame Wheel with a female Raticate, the Rattata that comes from the egg will also know Flame Wheel. It's not necessarily a great move on Rattata (and Rattata's not necessarily a great pokemon Razz), but it's a good example of how pokemon can learn moves they'd otherwise never learn.

Another example is a move like Heal Bell - only three breedable pokemon learn this move naturally by levelling up in the entire game (Miltank, Skitty and Chimecho - Celebi also learns it, but it can't breed). However, if you breed one of these pokemon with a Chansey/Blissey/Snubbull/Granbull, you can get a Happiny/Snubbull that knows Heal Bell. Heal Bell cures a pokemon of any and all status effects, so it's quite a good move to learn.

Breeding is also really good for contests (at least, it is imo Razz) - I bred a Quagsire with a Mudkip to get a Wooper that knew Mud Sport, a highly appealing move that'll get you 4 hearts from the judges. Now, that might seem kind of pointless as Wooper already knows Water Gun from the moment it's born, which is exactly the same as Mud Sport appeal-wise (4 hearts), however Mud Sport and Water Gun actually make for a combo appeal - once you appeal using Mud Sport the Judge will look at you expectantly, then you follow up with Water Gun to get a massive bonus. It took me almost no time at all to get the Master Rank for the Cuteness competition with this Wooper Smile.

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Almost... I have to nitpick on your use of the words "Egg Moves" and reusing TM's. They're not the same.

The global term for moves inherited is "Breeding Moves" - which break down into three categories: Egg Moves, TM Moves, and Level Up Moves.

Egg Moves are Attacks which can be passed on when they are on the baby Pokemon's Egg Move list and the male pokemon knows the Move. Your Quilava/Raticate is a perfect example of this.

Egg Moves require two things to work: The baby needs the move on its list (this can be checked on any of the various on-line pokedex sites) AND the Father (male) pokemon must know the move at the time the egg is produced.

TM Moves are also passed down through the male parent, fairly similarly to how Egg Moves are. The Male parent must know the TM move at the time the egg is produced, and the baby pokemon being born has to be able to learn the TM IN THE FORM IT HATCHES IN. This is important, since some TM's can rarely be passed on (Hyper Beam, Earthquake) because first forms don't usually have the ability to use those TM moves, and therefor cannot hatch with them (even though their later evolutions might be able to have those TM moves).

Finally we come to Level Up moves. A Level Up Breeding Move is any attack that BOTH parents know at the time the baby pokemon egg is produced, and which the baby has on it's list of attacks which it will learn (at various Levels). For example, Shroomish usually learns Spore at the insanely annoying level of 54. However, if you breed two Shroomish or Breloom together who already know Spore, the baby Shroomish who hatch will know Spore as one of their moves right from the beginning.

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I see now. I've never actually tried breeding for those moves before, but that does make a bit of sense.

This might seem a bit noobish of me to ask, but with your Shroomish example, what would happen if I were to use a Paras as one of the parents as well as a Shroomish? Since Paras learns Spore at level 17, it'd be way easier to have it as one of the parents rather than having to get two Shroomish up to level 54, but would I end up with a Shroomish that already knows Spore, or a Shroomish that has to level up to get Spore?

EDIT: Hey speaking of egg moves, the Piplup I got off of coolpikaaa has a few cool moves - he's born knowing both Brine and Hydro Pump. Thanks again CP Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Paras would work, but only if it was the Male parent. The species of the baby is set by the female (for rather obvious reasons, otherwise you'd have, say, Snorlax eggs being laid/produced/whatever from a Turtwig, for example, which is about 1/20th of Snorlax's size. o.O Not good.)

I just happen to have two high level Brelooms with Spore, so when I need baby Spore Shroomishes, I use those two.

Passing on Natures

Should the female of your two pokemon (or Ditto, if the other pokemon is male) hold an Everstone, your chances of the baby pokemon having the same nature as the female/Ditto increases to 50%. HOWEVER: do be aware that for some reason, this does not work with migrated pokemon - those which were imported through Pal Park from R/S/E/Fr/Lg.

Inheriting natures can be very useful if you get a female/Ditto with, say Adamant or Modest, and you want more of that nature/species combination. Natures have a +/-10 percent effect on a Lv. 100 Pokemon's stats, which can be quite significant and a great edge in battle.

Passing on IV's

IV's, or Individual Values, are the hidden numbers ranging from 0-31 (0 being the worst, 31 being the best) that affect your pokemon's stats and make it different from the next pokemon with the same species/level/nature. Hence, Individual Values. Obviously, since higher IV's make for better Pokemon, they're a good thing to have. You can pass on IV's through selective breeding, since each baby pokemon gets 3 IV's from it's parent(s). (which ones and from which parent is random, along with the other three values.) Thus, breeding strong pokemon together increases your chances of stronger offspring.

There's an excellent FAQ on breeding here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbadvance/file/921905/40538

The Shiny Breeding Myth

One or more shiny pokemon do not produce shiny offspring with any more regularity than non-shiny parents. Regardless of the color of your male/female/Ditto, you have a 1 in 8192 chance of getting a Shiny from any given Egg, the same chance you have of getting a Wild Shiny.

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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nope, 3kul is quite correct, Ashen. The various incense items are used to obtain the Baby forms of various Pokemon.

For example, a Marill or Azumarill holding a Sea Incense (either parent, doesn't matter who holds it) will yield Azuril eggs, while without the hold item, you'll get Marill eggs.

This can be quite important since Baby pokemon and their evolved forms often have varying Egg Moves.


Does that also apply in Ruby/Sapphire? Cause it'd explain why my attempts with getting an Azurill keep failing. And where would you get one of those in Ruby?

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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you find the Sea Insense in the ghost tower (west to Lilycove City)?
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Embri wrote:
A Paras would work, but only if it was the Male parent. The species of the baby is set by the female.


Razz Obviously. What I was curious about was the difference between pokemon knowing moves from when they were born and having to level up to get certain moves. I'm a little confused between the difference between a level up move and an egg move in some cases, as Spore is already a level up move for Shroomish... but it's also an egg move?

Does this mean that if it's already a level up move for that particular pokemon, it automatically becomes an egg move (eg: Razor Leaf for a lvl 1 Bulbasaur?). I suppose that would make a bit of sense, as CP's Piplup that he sent me already knows Brine and Hydro Pump, two moves that it learns much later in the game.

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One or more shiny pokemon do not produce shiny offspring with any more regularity than non-shiny parents. Regardless of the color of your male/female/Ditto, you have a 1 in 8192 chance of getting a Shiny from any given Egg, the same chance you have of getting a Wild Shiny.


I can't remember where I've heard this before, but apparently the odds of encountering a Shiny were much lower in the older games.

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Does that also apply in Ruby/Sapphire? Cause it'd explain why my attempts with getting an Azurill keep failing. And where would you get one of those in Ruby?


Yep, you need Lax Incense to get a Wynaut from a Wobbuffet and a Sea Incense to get an Azuril from a Marill/Azumarill. Both of these can be found in Mt Pyre, though I can't quite remember exactly where.

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