Psyconaut8 = Drlupinmario(?)

[3kul]

Alright, this needs to be sorted out reasonably quickly so that things don't get worse than they already are.

Though I haven't openly said this in the public part of the forums, it's fairly obvious that Psyconaut8 is Drlupinmario imo. He's been pretty suspicious from day one, I'm sure that almost everybody here has noticed it, given that he immediately began to talk about how he was 'allowed' to use DLM's characters. Hell, his e-mail address is Drlupinmario@care2.com, it can't possibly get more obvious than that.

People advised him not to use DLM's crappy characters, and he mostly seemed to ignore that, making a couple of sad attempts to form an argument to support why he should try to salvage such poor-quality characters. But given that he did seem to be branching out into a few new characters, it seemed like there might've been a slight possibility that things might work themselves out - he might decide that he likes his new characters better and that he'd turn over a new leaf, or that perhaps his totally ridiculous story was true and that he and DLM were just disturbingly close to one another.

But now he's gone and posted this.

[Shaon]

[11:46:32 PM] [Psyconaut8 has entered Creatures - last seen 1:16:50 AM - 2/21/2007]
[11:46:32 PM] [Psyconaut8 (24.144.170.*) may have been known as !-1@_hA_H@_!-! (1:31:06 AM - 2/23/2007)]
[11:48:11 PM] [Drlupinmario has entered Creatures - last seen 11:08:10 AM - 12/29/2006]
[11:48:12 PM] [Drlupinmario (24.144.170.*) may have been known as Psyconaut8 (11:47:29 PM - 2/24/2007)]
[11:48:24 PM] Psyconaut8: Took you long enough to get here
[11:49:01 PM] Drlupinmario: Meh, Hi everyone.
[11:49:44 PM] ThunderOrb: Hola.
[11:50:15 PM] [Psyconaut8 has left Creatures]
[11:50:32 PM] [Psyconaut8 has entered Creatures - last seen 11:50:15 PM - 2/24/2007]
[11:50:32 PM] [Psyconaut8 (24.144.170.*) may have been known as Drlupinmario (11:50:29 PM - 2/24/2007)]
[11:50:40 PM] Psyconaut8: Stupid thing logged me off
[11:50:45 PM] Psyconaut8: Hi
[11:51:06 PM] Drlupinmario: Yeah, Hi. Incase you dont know, we are neighbors.
[11:51:51 PM] ThunderOrb: I like pie?
[11:52:12 PM] [Au'Marui has left Creatures]
[11:52:15 PM] Psyconaut8: I am affraid you mean "Lol pi lol"
[11:52:24 PM] Drlupinmario: orly
[11:52:35 PM] Psyconaut8: Shut up, Owl.
[11:52:36 PM] Shaon1: Oh great.
[11:52:38 PM] Shaon1: Not you.
[11:52:44 PM] [GreenReaper1 has entered Creatures - last seen 2:14:35 AM - 1/7/2007]
[11:52:44 PM] [GreenReaper1 (68.41.31.*) may have been known as GreenReaper (11:52:29 PM - 2/24/2007)]
[11:52:44 PM] GreenReaper1: Heya.
[11:53:03 PM] Drlupinmario: Hey, Incase you dont know, we are neighbors.
[11:53:15 PM] Shaon1: Hey, in case you don't know, we don't care.
[11:53:35 PM] Drlupinmario: Yeah, but you will care about this
[11:53:39 PM] Drlupinmario rapes shaon
[11:53:50 PM] ThunderOrb: Woah...
[11:54:09 PM] Shaon1 snarl
[11:54:12 PM] Shaon1: s
[At this point, I contacted Data over MSN.]

[11:54:18 PM] Shaon1: /summon Data
[11:54:24 PM] Psyconaut8: And why are you "Shaon1?"
[11:54:38 PM] Shaon1: Because 1 is better than 0.
[11:54:53 PM] Psyconaut8: False.
[11:55:05 PM] Shaon1: ...
[11:55:08 PM] Drlupinmario: 010100100011?
[11:55:13 PM] Shaon1: /summon Data
[Data gags DLM and Psyconaut]
[11:56:15 PM] ThunderOrb: Oh, and I may not know much, but I don't think snarling will stop a rape in progress...
[11:56:27 PM] Shaon1: They can't respond.
[11:56:31 PM] Shaon1: Thanks to Data.
[11:56:44 PM] ThunderOrb: lol
[11:56:49 PM] Shaon1: Try all you want, boys.
[11:56:56 PM] [Drlupinmario has left Creatures]
[11:56:58 PM] Shaon1: In space, no one can hear you scream.
[11:57:19 PM] ThunderOrb: I guess the machine works now!
[11:57:22 PM] Shaon1: [3:25:59 PM] Drlupinmario has been gagged by Data for 3w
[11:57:28 PM] You are now known as Shaon
[11:57:29 PM] GreenReaper1 has been opped by Data-17s
[11:57:36 PM] ThunderOrb: I was bored and read the stories last night.
[11:57:43 PM] Shaon: Since you two are neighbors, it seems you are gagged, Psycho.
[11:57:58 PM] You have been temp-opped by Data
[11:58:00 PM] Shaon: Stories? I write stories
[11:58:09 PM] Shaon: I have this one going about a virus
[11:58:09 PM] [Data has entered Creatures - last seen 4:45:42 PM - 2/23/2007]
[11:58:19 PM] Shaon: [11:56:56 PM] [Drlupinmario has left Creatures]
[11:58:19 PM] GreenReaper has been kicked by Data for 1ms
[11:58:19 PM] [GreenReaper has left Creatures]
[11:58:24 PM] Data changed the Name property of user GreenReaper1 to 'GreenReaper' (was 'GreenReaper1')
[11:58:24 PM] GreenReaper1 is now known as GreenReaper
[11:58:49 PM] Data: I understand we had a minor troll infestation
[11:58:51 PM] [Psyconaut8 has left Creatures]
[11:59:05 PM] Shaon: Minor.
[11:59:19 PM] Shaon: I summoned you after the obligitory [11:53:39 PM] Drlupinmario rapes shaon
[11:59:42 PM] Data: ack
[11:59:45 PM] [aaa has entered Creatures]
[aaa has almost the exact same IP as DLM]
[11:59:57 PM] Data: well, he's just scored himself a nice 3 week gag/wait
[11:59:59 PM] ThunderOrb: Data!
[12:00:02 AM] aaa: And we were going to give you a chance at redemption...
[12:00:05 AM] ThunderOrb: Remember me? Probably not.
[12:00:07 AM] Shaon: Seeing that this guy simply refuses to acknowlege that rape isn't funny.
[12:00:28 AM] Shaon: Almost identical IP.
[12:00:31 AM] Shaon: Re, DLM.
[12:00:37 AM] aaa: It isnt.... But seing how you get so flipped off by it...
[12:00:37 AM] aaa has been gagged by Data for 3w
[12:00:44 AM] [aaa has left Creatures]
[12:00:50 AM] Data: pee-pee off, DLM, you little pervert
[12:01:04 AM] Data: missed, damn
[12:01:11 AM] Shaon: Never will learn, will he?
[12:01:16 AM] Data: apparently not
[12:01:37 AM] ThunderOrb: Data, how has life been?
[12:01:42 AM] ThunderOrb: Do you still use your LJ?
[12:01:46 AM] Data: busy, kinda
[12:01:51 AM] Data: no, I deleted it
[12:02:11 AM] ThunderOrb: I abandoned mine long ago, but it's all good.
[12:02:22 AM] [THANKGOD4WIRELESS has entered Creatures]
[Same here.]
[12:02:28 AM] ThunderOrb: How is the baby?
[12:02:30 AM] Shaon: Re, again, DLM
[12:02:37 AM] ThunderOrb: Well, toddler...if things went well.
[12:02:39 AM] THANKGOD4WIRELESS: heh eh eh
[12:02:46 AM] Data: pee-pee off you pervert!
[12:02:51 AM] Shaon: Proxies can't hide you.
[12:02:53 AM] THANKGOD4WIRELESS: let me talk, and you may be seing things on the better side
[12:03:01 AM] Shaon: Talk, and quick.
[12:03:03 AM] The address 24.144.168 has been placed on the waiting list by Data for 3w
[12:03:06 AM] Shaon: My patience with you runs thin.
[12:03:16 AM] Shaon: Thinner than silk.
[12:03:28 AM] THANKGOD4WIRELESS has been kicked by Data for 1h
[12:03:28 AM] [THANKGOD4WIRELESS has left Creatures]
[12:03:39 AM] Shaon: I'm going to sleep.
[12:03:51 AM] Shaon: Night, Data, Orb.
[12:04:06 AM] Shaon is now away (Sleep. Nonsexually. You heard me, DLM.)
[DLM doesn't return. JRC crashes at 2:30 AM my time.]

This might be proof that they are both the same, though they might just have the almost exact same IP since they are 'neighbors'.

[LordPsycho]

Um...I'm all but certain that they are the same person.

But I haven't had the time to do anything about it.

Feel free to deal with it if you feel the need to, though.

[GBE]

I see that people should be given a second chance. So I've issued a statement pretty much outlining one step in the wrong direction, he's out for certain.

I've also mentioned that his actions on JRChat may reflect upon him on Blackstar, and that after discussion, suitable action will take place. So Shaon, please keep us informed of his actions on there either as DLM, Psyconaut8 or whatever name he decides to take.

If anyone has anything else to add, please make sure you do so. But I feel I've, well, outlined our major concerns. And if it is DLM, who are we to say he can't roleplay his characters. So I've not mentioned anything about that.

[addman]

[3kul]

I'm honestly not all that knowledgable as to why he was banned - he's never said anything directly against me and for the most part I've totally ignored him, so I guess I don't feel nearly as strongly about this as you do Addman.

However, to explain why I felt the way that I did, I did believe that he should be allowed a second chance, provided that he understand what that meant. In my opinion, I'd have had him start from scratch, not allow him to pick up where he left off (true, he has a different username, but aside from that what's changed?). The fact that he's not allowed to use his own characters would have served as a slightly lesser punishment for having been banned, and it's something that would stick with him for as long as he lasts here (I'm betting he'll be banned again within the next week personally ). I also specified that he should show either gratitude for the opportunity to redeem himself or that he should at least be apologetic for what he'd done before (preferably both), and yet from the looks of things he's done neither.

The problem here is that a second chance like the one GBE has offered him is wasted on DLM (no offense to you GBE). If it were any other member I might be inclined to think otherwise, but now it's like he's going out of his way to prove himself to be most undeserving of such mercy. Odds are within the next week he's going to do something stupid enough to get himself banned once again, and it'll just be a big waste of everyone's time. The main issue to look at here is that he's not only going unpunished, but it's like he's being rewarded - he's gone from "you are banned" to "we'll be keeping an eye on you", in his eyes this can only be a good thing.

I've tried to be as blunt as I can in regards to how I now feel about this in my latest post, and unless DLM decides to do something stupid that's how my opinion will stay - conditionally merciful . If DLM gets a second chance, he's got to show gratitude, be apologetic and understand how he's supposed to do things around here. If he fails to do these things though, I don't believe that he deserves a second chance anymore.

[Danikat]

I've been staying out of this for the most part, because I wasn't around much when he originally got himself banned and none of it really involved me. But I have to say I'm really, really not impressed with his attitude since comming back. As I said to DP on MSN last night I was initially impressed with the inginuity of trying to come back as a new person, but he blew that right out of the water by doing a horrible job of it.

And since then...he seems to have spent most of his time trying to bribe/threaten the rest of the Dojo, including the mods and admins. Its like he honestly believes he has some kind of power here and we're letting him back in because either theres nothing we can do about it or because we respect him in some way. Of course we know that none of that is true.

Personally I think giving him a second chance is a good idea in the long run because it sets a good precedent. We're showing that if people try to make a fresh start after making a mistake (ideally starting by admitting they were wrong) we're willing to give them that chance. Forgive and forget ect. ect.
And when he abuses that privilage and gets himself banned again (as I'm sure he will) it makes it clear that we were right to ban him in the first place.

And hopefully there won't be too much agro to deal with in between.

[Embri]

Agreed. In certain situations, perhaps some people are worthy of second chances, but I fear it's been wasted on DLM.

As a further restriction, if he does indeed apologize (unlikely) and appear to regret his previous actions (even more unlikely) and promises to abide by the rules and work towards becoming a good Dojodian (hah!) I think he should be confined to the Training Dojo, maybe even a single thread until he shows he can behave.


I also think we need some sort of charter or rules that very clearly outline what is a bannable offense, who can decide to ban someone, and what various repercussions are for breaking the rules. This way, the rules can be applied fairly to everyone, and any who complain can be shown that they were set in writing well before the offense occurred.

[Danikat]

That sounds like a good idea.

Within RP's the belt system seems to be effective at keeping people in-line because it gives them a tangible reward for playing by our rules. But I think we need a clearly defined system for dealing with problems that occur out of character (as most of DLM's offences have).

I'm not sure how much good restriciting him to the training Dojo would do, since the problems seems to boil down a basic lack of respect for other members and a complete lack of respect for the rules and we're not really set up to teach either.

Maybe some sort of probation system, kind of like what happens in real life when people get done for drink driving or assult or some such. A minor offence can be delt with simply with a warning, but after a serious offence they're given a set time period when any offence is treated as serious and if they don't at least make a visible effort to change their ways they can be banned.
Maybe restrict them from big RP's as well.

[GBE]

I'm all for what most of you have said. It might seem like a wasted chance, but, its a chance he's been given and he needs to grab it by both horns and ride it until the dust settles.

Ads for a punishment system, that is an interesting idea. So you want to set up a list of offences and punishments can be dealt towards that offence. If you make a list and show us, you'll probably get support..

As for 3kul's question, aparently, DLM changed the wiki in such a manner that he put something insulting me. Now, I've tried to look for it, but, I don't understand the bloody history system or anything...

As for what else he changed, I have absolutely no idea, it was DP who told me last night that it was me DLM was for some reason against me. If anyone can actually link me directly or tell me what he put, I'd appreciate it.

And, it goes without saying, that if I'd have known exactly what he put, I'm not sure I'd have been so willing to offer a second chance to the guy.

I'd be happy for DLM to be restricted until he improves his spelling, grammar, attitude and roleplay skills. Perhaps, to be fair, this needs a majoritive vote from the mods. Or, if anyone actively objects to this taking place in this thread, we'll vote it, otherwise, we should go ahead with his limitations....

[addman]

Personally, I wouldn't give him half a chance anymore, but I can see I'm vastly outnumbered. If that's what you've decided then so be it.

I think a punishment system might be a good way to go though, why don't we begin to use this thread to flesh out ideas as to what we'd need on there?

[Embri]

Sounds good to me... *takes a first crack at it*

Well, what type of things would be possible and effective punishments?


*Reduction in one or more belt levels
*Monetary penalty
*Temporary ban from the Wilds/Dojopolis (the RP sections)
*Restriction to a certain forum (such as the Training Dojo)
*If the offense took place in an RP, an RP penalty (as appropriate)
*Loss of one or more inventory items
*Temporary loss of ability to display an Avatar.
*Assignment of a
*Temporary loss of ability to send PM's.
*Temporary Ban
*Permanent Ban
*Written Warning (PM)
*Written Warning (Thread)


These are by no means in any specific order. The punishment must of course fit the crime.

Anyone else want to take a stab at a list of offenses? Obviously the major ones are going to be those that violate the "laws" of the Dojo - Respect the decisions of the Admins/Mods, Respect thy fellow RPers, Thou shalt not Powerplay, don't be a SpamBot, etc.

However, we do have a few other possibities/things that have cropped up. Wiki abuse, foul language, account theft, stealing of items/money, etc. I'm sure the we can come up with some more things that aren't acceptable. Verbal harassment, for example, OOC in threads or by PM.

[Danikat]

Some of those seem a little too specific to me. Losing the ability to send PM's probably wouldn't bother some people (me for example) who don't use PM's that often anyway. Same with the loss of an avatar or inventory items (depending on the item).

They could work for specific crimes, for example if someone created an avatar insulting another user and then they were banned from having one at all, but as general punishments I'm not sure how effective they'd be.

I like the idea of removing a belt rank as a penalty though, and if I remember correctly that was to be one of the options when the belts system was brought in.
Maybe that could be a penalty for repeated in-RP problems, since the belts are meant to be a reward for good RP skills it'd make sense to take them away for breaking the rules.

And the typical 'warning, followed up by a tempoary ban, followed up by a permenant ban' system that many forums use seems to work well.

I also like the idea of banning people from the particular section where they were causing problems.

[Embri]

Those were just all the things that fell out of my head, at random.

"Hey, oh HEY!" *wriggles out of Au'Marui's grip and puts herself right side up again.* "Mind, if you keep doing that, there won't be a wit left between my furry ears!"

Temp/Perm banning from avatars/PMs would work well if that was the type of offense, as Dani said. For example, gigantic avvies or extremely annoying ones/insulting etc.

Might as well start with that....

Offense: Avatar Abuse
Severity: Minor
Specifics: Extremely large avatars, offensive material, flashing or strobe animations. (potential for causing seizures in susceptible individuals.)

1st Offense: Removal of Avatar, PM'd Warning
2nd Offense: Temporary ban from Avatar use (1 week)
3rd Offense: Longer Temporary Ban/Permanent Avatar ability loss

Sound all right? A Wiki section might be useful in hammering out the various offenses and consequences. Anyone else want to take a stab at Crime and Punishment?

[Miyanokouji]

Okay for some reason (probably RL boredom) I dragged myself back here.
I'm willing to code stuff again.
Regarding Embri's suggestion of a PM banning tool, it'd be easy to implement a counter of how many PMs are sent by a user per day, etc.
Limited-time bans are also easy. As are avatar bans,

I'd like to know why the item system isn't up, and if I can help.

As a completely irrelevant, slightly annoying, but still friendly note, Danikat, it's etc, not ect. Et cetera <.<

And as a less irrelevant, less annoying note, I really hate homophobia too, and the way in which DLM thinks it is necessary to virtually "rape" Shaon, and do not believe he should be allowed a second chance. As with everything though, I go with the will of the Sensei.