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| Ah, Thats better. Thats MUCH better. Plus, I think you all forget that you can UBERIZE! yourself when you have such power. Infact, It makes me wonder: Why dont you administer dudes have all thoose badge thigns and whathaveyou and whatnot. Your at the top! And as long as you dont do anything like start a war or start killing jews, You can just be as hitlerisic as you want. |
Each of those medals is given out for a specific reason, usually making a signification contribution to a popular RP. If you click on the persons profile it tells you what that reason is. It'd be stupid and pointless for mods or admins to randomly give themsleves medals because everyone would know perfectly well they had not earned them. It'd just make them look silly. And it'd be pretty meaningless for the admin. I admit I'm sometimes jealous when I look at Net or someone else who has tons of medals, but I'm also happy about having earnt the ones I've got. If I'd just edited the code to give them to me anyway they'd be meaingless and not worth having.
I think some people have gotten the wrong idea about mods and admins though. It might be diffrent in some other places but here at least it's not a power or authority thing, its definately not a way of showing you're "better" than someone else and its not some sort of prize or popularity contest. Essentially the mods and admins are the forums maintenance crew. We do these jobs because someone has to, because otherwise the forum wouldn't run (or in the case of some of the admins, esspecially DP it wouldn't even be here in the first place.) As Embri said in an ideal world where computers are psychic and know exactly what you want, and never go wrong and everyone completely understands everything around them and never says or does anything wrong we wouldn't need mods and admins. Unfortunately we don't live in La La Clouds & Candy Land, we live in the real world and it just doesn't work like that. The forum can (and will) break down and people will occasionalky make mistakes. And thats where the staff come in.
Mods are assigned specific boards and their job is to make sure any topics on that board are relevant and to move or lock ones which aren't. They also enforce the rules, making sure its possible for people to come here without someone screaming absuse at them everytime they post. This forum is a bit of an exception to the norn so some mods will have other duties as well. For example I'm the mod for the training Dojo so as well as the basic jobs explained above its my responsibility to put people in touch with trainers if they need it, and to train them myself if no one else is avalible to do it.
Admins have more behind the scenes work. They're the ones who design and code the layout of the forum, create the individual boards, design the colour scheme, create usergroups, add all the icons and graphics ect. And if something goes wrong they're the ones who have to sort through all the settings and sometimes even the basic code for the forum to fix it.
But to go back to the power and authority issue for a moment I think most people who start a forum, at least a sucsessful forum, will tend to choose people who aren't interested in having power over other people, because as you said there is room to abuse it. If they wanted to the admins could give themsleves absurd amounts of yen, rig polls so they won all the medals, or just give them to themselves anyway, and threaten to ban anyone who even thought about disagreeing with them.
But a forum like that would very quickly stop being fun for anyone but that admin, and since people only come here for fun it would very quickly become an empty, dead forum.
The kind of people you need running a forum are ones who won't worry about wether everyone else thinks they're awesome but will worry about wether a topic is in the right place for people to be able to find it easily, admins who won't be able to ignore it if an error message keeps popping up or if an image isn't working. Essentially people who see themsleves more as servants of the forum than its masters, who want to make sure everything is working right and everyone is able to have fun rather than worrying about how impressive they look.
Besides, its not really that impressive. Anyone can start a forum and get to be an admin, and at times it seems like everyone has.
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I agree with Danikat here, it wouldn't be fair on the rest of Blackstar if the mods and admins just gave themselves badges. And they wouldn't do it either, it's just an abuse of power.
As you can see, I am a mod. I joint mod the Challenge Arena with GBE, which includes being a default Judge if/when no-one else wants or has volunteered for that position as well the usual modship duties. Trust me, judging isn't easy and it takes time, it's quieted down a bit now but when it was full of activity there were quite a few times I couldn't RP because of that.
I'm not complaining though, I enjoy it. I can help people improve on their RPing styles and spelling when I judge them, and it's quite satisfying to see it pay off.
See those medals I've got? I've got six. That's all I've got. But do you think I gave them myself? Nope. I earned them, so I'm proud to have them. Four of them are for RP's, and two I earned for my participation in the Challenge Arena.
If I hadn't earned them, I'd be ashamed to show myself around here. Abuse of power, no matter what kind of power, is something that shouldn't be tolerated.
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There is nothing I could have said better than Dani and Swix already have; fellow Dojodians, wise and true. That's exactly it. Those who seek power over others will NEVER be given a position of authority in Blackstar, so long as DP or I draw breath. That type of person, while tolerable in a forum setting, becomes an evil overlord when given any type of control.
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| Ah, Thats better. Thats MUCH better. Plus, I think you all forget that you can UBERIZE! yourself when you have such power. Infact, It makes me wonder: Why dont you administer dudes have all thoose badge thigns and whathaveyou and whatnot. Your at the top! And as long as you dont do anything like start a war or start killing jews, You can just be as hitlerisic as you want. |
I'm seriously disappointed in your personal ethics, Psychonaut. You've just disqualified yourself from becoming a Mod/Admin here, since you don't understand that those "in charge" are the caretakers of the forum - we have extra "powers" not to lord over the regular users, but to just make it work. We are the janitors, the mechanics, the painters and the groundskeepers - the support staff. Nothing more.
Maybe you need to spend less time around Drlupinmario. He seems to be wearing off on you, and not in a good way. |
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| I don't know, I think adminship and modship is fun. Sure, its a lot of work, but I enjoy work. Especially that kind of work. Its not for everyone, though. A great amount of people really hate adminship/modship. Its a matter of personal opinion and personality. If you're the type of person who really enjoys not only helping people out, but also an okay amount of power, respect, and control over your environment its a wonderful position for you. If you're the type of person who likes helping people, but doesn't like yelling at them, too much responsibility, or dealing with people its not the job for you. Everyone needs to find their own niche and adminship/modship is one of those niches. |
Ah, Thats better. Thats MUCH better. Plus, I think you all forget that you can UBERIZE! yourself when you have such power. Infact, It makes me wonder: Why dont you administer dudes have all thoose badge thigns and whathaveyou and whatnot. Your at the top! And as long as you dont do anything like start a war or start killing jews, You can just be as hitlerisic as you want. |
That completely misrepresents what I was trying to say and shows you understand very little about both this dojo and forum politics. The admins and mods are not dictators, they're more maitenance workers and janitors. They wouldn't be hitleristic, even if they could, because that's not what this place is about. Everyone just wants to have fun here. We don't want great and powerful leaders bearing down on us, and there is no one who wants to be a great and powerful bearing-down leader. Except that is, you.
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| Maybe you need to spend less time around Drlupinmario. He seems to be wearing off on you, and not in a good way. |
I hope this isn't overstepping my boundaries in any way, and I hope no one takes this as a personal attack or overly rude. But, I think he might be Drlupinmario. He wants to use Drlupinmario's characters. He talks like Drlupinmario. He claims to know Drlupinmario. He takes offense when you insult Drlupinmario. And he thinks like Drlupinmario. I'm probably wrong, and its probably not my place to say it, but that's my opinion. |
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Well I know I would take offence if I thought someone was insulting one of my friends.
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| I know you would, but its still evidence against him. Any one single thing wouldn't mean anything. (except maybe the characters) But altogether it leads me to believe that he is indeed Drlupinmario. |
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And I think he's not. I think it's all perfectly innocent, and at this point even if he did turn out to be DLM I'd not have anything against him. He seems nice and willing to follow the rules, and that's all that matters. Sure, he hasn't quite grasped the system we use here, but that's no reason to suddenly accuse him of being DLM.
Not that I think you were wrong in expressing your opinion for the record, I'd do the exact same thing in your shoes.
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