New RP Restrictions?

Raven · Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:26 pm Post subject:

Hum.. I dare say I like this. Although, I am (As I have said) am having difficulty deciding...What is the positions of the clan Sensai might I ask?

Embri · Black Spider Blackstar Native Old Friend Posts: 2172

If no one steps forward to take up Owl, we shall simply let it pass until such a time as it is needed.

Some of the larger clans, or as Blackstar gains more members, may very well need additional assistants for handling the clan sensei's duties.

I would also propose that some system for challenging the current Sensei of a clan be put in place. Not at the moment, for there are many more pressing details to work out, but nothing should ever be stagnant. So either we need terms of service, or a formalized method of challenging the current Sensei for their position. I would recommend that doing so not be easy, and also expensive. (i.e. there would be a hefty fee for even making an attempt)

Raven · Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 8:05 pm Post subject:

If I were to choose someone for the owl, I would say Hislordship. He seems to be the only one who fits perfectly. And an Owl being and Owl? It's perfect... unfortunatly he's with the fox clan.

3kul · Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:04 am Post subject:

Read previous posts Raven, then maybe you'll understand why HisLordship has instantly earnt himself the title of Kitsune-Sensei.

Danikat · Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:41 am Post subject:

Embri · Black Spider Blackstar Native Old Friend Posts: 2172

I don't see people trying to take over the role of a clan Sensei without much due consideration. Several facts, if you will humor me....

1. After the clans are established, no one below the rank of Black Belt should be allowed to challenge a clan Sensei for their position. By the time an RPer has reached blackbelt, we assume they have the emotional maturity and wisdom to not seek a position they are not suitable for.

2. The position of clan Sensei comes with no benefits. You do not need to be a Mod or Admin to do this job, only receive PM's, so there is little to gain. There is no monetary reward, no special belt rank, or other "prize" at the moment.

3. It is a lot of work. A clan Sensei must be present preferably several times a week on Blackstar, and at least once a week.

4. I believe that only those who genuinely want to teach and guide others will want a position as clan Sensei. There are few rewards beyond the satisfaction of helping other people.

5. If there is no outside method for changing the appointment of clan Sensei, we will have a problem if anyone leaves (permanently or long term) from the community without notice, or if there is dissent with the ability of the Sensei. Thus, there would be a special item available, say, "Challenge Staff of the Clans" or something like that, which could be purchased from the Board store (the tribute money effectively vanishes from the economy).

Thus, I do propose the following stipulations:

Challenging a clan Sensei for their position is not a trivial matter; the challenger will be expected to tribute a significant sum of money (10,000 yen or more is the figure I'm considering) for the right to make a bid for the position of clan Sensei.

That done, they will have the right to make a poll, which will be open to everyone on Blackstar to vote in. This poll should be to determine if Dojodians believe the applicant would be a good clan Sensei - do they have proven RP skills, the time and dedication to do the job, and the willingness to teach?

Should the majority find that this is so (I'd stipulate a 15-30 day poll here) then, and ONLY THEN can someone challenge a clan Sensei for their job.

I would suggest for this challenge, the setting of a specific style of RP and allowing the current Sensei and the challenger to compete. This may be cooperative, combative, or separate puzzle style RP's depending on the nature of the clan, of a set post count (similar to the Olympics). I would expect that Tiger and Mantis to face off in duels, Spider, possibly Fox to be cooperative, Monkey, showing humor, etc.

Finally, once this exibition RP is concluded, the community as a whole will be invited to vote again.

Essentially, challenging a clan sensei must be difficult, impartial/fair, time consuming, expensive and NOT a matter undertaken lightly!

Another thought: If any of our Clan Sensei's go on vacation or have an unexpected absence, we need backups. Therefore, I propose each Sensei will be in charge of choosing a SIC of sorts to sub/assist for them.

Danikat · Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:39 am Post subject:

3kul · Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:27 am Post subject:

That sounds much more appropriate then Embri, and certainly solves the problem of having trophy sensei Razz

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And given that they'd be about the same level as the sensei of their style, I'd agree with you on that one Danikat - a sensei could certainly use the black belts as something of a SiC (and in that way, perhaps determine somebody who could take over from them should they ever decide to leave us?).

The polls for new sensei are over now, seems that no extra people voted, though the results are clear enough. Now presenting the new and improved sensei list Very Happy

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* Tora-Sensei (Tiger) = TheSensei/DP
* Kamereon-Sensei (Chameleon) = GBE
* Kitsune-Sensei (Fox) = HisLordship
* Kamakiri-Sensei (Mantis) = 3kul
* Saru-Sensei (Monkey) = Netdroid9
* Kumo-Sensei (Spider) = Embri

Still no owl sensei, though for now that doesn't seem to be too much of an issue. Hopefully this'll bring us a bit closer to implementing the new system Very Happy

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LordPsycho · Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:12 am Post subject:

It sure does.

Now I have homework for the Sensei's. You all need to go through and create belt requirements for your style. The first three ( white, yellow, and red) are generic and taken care of for all styles (you don't specialize until green belt)

but from green up you need to write requirements specific to your clan. For example, here is what I submit for the Tora Style:

http://blackstar.inkwell.com.ru/viewtopic.php?p=14176#14176

Edit: this submission is very out of date with the way the system is going, so I am going to be updating it. But it's a good start

LordPsycho · Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:15 am Post subject:

The up-to-date submission for the Tiger style belt requirements:

3kul · Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:24 pm Post subject:

Rightio, I'll get started on the Mantis requirements then... I imagine that mine will be quite similar to yours DP, since we're both combat heavy styles.

What are we going to do about the paradoxal nature of rules like 'has dueled with two other Tiger class warriors' though when there are currently no Tiger class warriors though? They'd be good rules for later but it's a bit impossible to start off with Razz

EDIT: Noticed Embri's post over in the Dojo Information centre, very helpful stuff, but I'm just wondering, will the minimum times set between an upgrade to each belt rank be in effect from day one? Or will we have a period of settling which allows for already skilled RPers to quickly go up to at least a red belt, given that it would be fairly obvious that they are at or above that skill level?

Embri · Black Spider Blackstar Native Old Friend Posts: 2172

I'm not making it retroactive, not to begin with. First of all, it wouldn't be very fair, and second of all the basic requirements are what is going to dictate advancement at the moment.

What is going to happen once the belt graphics are complete is that PAST experience can be used to fast track up to GREEN BELT.

In essence, most of our members will be able to apply directly for clan membership, if they can satisfy all the requirements for Yellow, Red, and Green belts right now.

This past experience CAN NOT be used to advance any higher than Green belt. This will give us a good member base in all the clans (hopefully) and solve your little "fight x of x clan" problem. I hope.

I'm typing and making items as fast as I can at the moment.

Bear with me!

3kul · Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:28 pm Post subject:

Smart thinking Embri, that solves pretty much all the problems I can think of Very Happy

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Done with the Mantis Belt requirements, though as always, input and intelligent criticism is welcome:

Embri · Black Spider Blackstar Native Old Friend Posts: 2172

WHEW. Okay, THE TRIBAL POOL is now stocked!

That means that the new "Talisman" items are available for everyone to buy.

These Talismans serve only two purposes - allow users to send a PM to the Sensei of a clan (or me in the case of Yellow and Red Talismans) for advancement, and to take money out of the economy. (Yeah, I'm economy obsessed. Live with it. ^_^ )

PLEASE DO NOT GO PURCHASING EVERY SINGLE TALISMAN!

First of all, most people will ONLY need a Jade Talisman of their choice. (See my post above.)

Also please note that the Belt Graphics are NOT done yet. (I'm working on it!) So no clan Ranks can be handed out just yet.

But, at least the system is up and running.

I'll be adding the Sapphire, Agate(can anyone think of a better brown stone?), and Onyx Talismans when I get time.

LordPsycho · Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:36 pm Post subject:

I should mention to the Sensei's (some of whom I need to give access to here Embarassed

), the Training clause must be in the requirements for Brown belts of your style.

For those who are confused, the training clause is the one that states "Must have trained another Dojodian to least a green belt (of any style)"