Important! Major Board-Wide Modifications!

alakin1 · Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:06 am Post subject:

Forgive me for saying this, I fail to see how this is for the best. The way I see it new people or people who aren't part of the new guild will just get bored and leave (Not to mention some people won't be able to RP in an RP they've joined but is on now private board). There's only the Training Dojo and the Norn Gardens left.

*Throws the tomatoes (including the crate)*

Embri · Black Spider Blackstar Native Old Friend Posts: 2172

*tomatoes bounce off Embri's shield and she gets knocked over by the crate.*

Ouch... Crying or Very sad

Our current open board system is causing strife. If something is not done, everyone is likely to leave, not just our new members... This whole changeover was a lot more sudden than I thought was going to happen, and I'll be talking to DP tonight about it, okay?

I'm sorry you're unhappy with it. I'll do my best to accomodate everyone's wishes.

One possibility is moving some of the current threads into the Training Dojo, so they could still be posted to by everyone.

Even the Mods are expressing some problems with this system, as you can see in the Meeting House. Other options are being considered, as well.

Somefreakoverthere · Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:50 am Post subject:

*whimpers,but reminds herself to be patience or else she'll get nowhere*

I've just found out i'm unable to enter the wilds for a bit.May i add that i am now feeling unhappy as now i have nothing to do,and this is also going to be difficult as i was involved in several RPGs there.

Somehow,I don't think that i'm going to enjoy this new system for a while.

LordPsycho · Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:21 am Post subject:

*glares*

And is there a problem with college students?

Goron40 · Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:02 pm Post subject:

Yes. Yes there is. They have work to do. Unlike me, as a Senior in High School, I have no work to do... But I don't want to be an admin! Find someone else!

Coolpikaaa · Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:17 pm Post subject:

Here i go...

Could we just go back to the old way for a bit untill,we figure all this out.I know that this is to stop people who have trouble rping to get some training but it is very confusing.I have heard of new belt systems,having to take a test,and many other things.I don't want to sound like a whiner but i think untill this is COMPLETLY worked out,we sould be able to go on normaly.This all sounds like some hard work just to be able to do what we joined to do;and thats RPing.
-coolpikaaa

Shine · Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:11 pm Post subject:

((This may be repeated in a few places, but... ))

Me and a friend are starting a Thread in Training Dojo for newer folks to have something to do, and to "prove themselves". Like many new folks he never found a good place to get into established posts and sort of lost interest, inspite of my near obsession with it. He wants to be able to sometimes join in (so he knows what I'm talking about,) but he isn't very established here, (we used to real life RP game together.) This could be a way for several folks to game together, and let the Mods see that they are good enough (or not) to be let in to the more skilled areas.

Check it out

3kul · Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:51 am Post subject:

Netdroid9 · Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:47 am Post subject:

I'm of the exact opposite opinion to some of the complaints posted here. Seperating the newcomers from the more experienced members allows the majority (the good RPers) to RP without troubled should a powerplaying idiot come along and try and spoil everything. If you want to get in, all you have to do is ask. Hell, the EC even offers apprenticships if you're interested.

Coolpikaaa · Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:43 pm Post subject:

Bah,
Al i was saying is that maybe things could go back to normal until this is figured out,but the new guild has opened do i guess things are.

-coolpikaaa

Shine · Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:46 pm Post subject:

I am aware that discussing of the currency system has been underway for some while, inflation issues and all that.

What is the rationale for the changes in the currency awarding system for posts? It seems we get paid for the wierd stuff, but not the quality stuff - unusual...--??

It seems a random way to address a much more complex set of issues. Perhaps I simply fail to see its brilliance, please enlighten me. Very Happy

(read this with tongue in cheek fun, and not sarcastic barbs.)

Embri · Black Spider Blackstar Native Old Friend Posts: 2172

Ah, perhaps I should try to explain how the currency system works, phpBB wise.

As you may or may not know, the monetary system is a MOD (not to be confused with a Mod - Moderator). This Modification of the board allows the automatic awarding of cash based on a fixed base amount and a per word award. (I believe)

So specific posts are not valued for their content, but their word count. I don't know if there's a way to make it more content based, but at the moment, probably not. Too many other revisions are on the table, but it's something that might be possible for the boards which do not give a cash reward on a post basis - an award at the conclusion of the RP, perhaps?

Netdroid9 · Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 7:22 am Post subject:

The G-mod forums have a 'smartness' rating. A users post is judged based on their spelling ability. That is then used to modify aforementioned user's 'smartness' rating. The 'dumbest' people of the week are banned. While we don't need something that harsh, the basic concept of the system could be used as a factor in the monetary value of a post. This, along with the word count, would be a passive factor in the post's monetary value. Editing a post would increase it's monetary value.

We could then add a positive/negative post rating system which would increase or decrease a post's monetary value based on a percentage value depending on it's overall rating. To prevent abuse of this system, you would only be able to rate a post after you have made a certain amount of posts.

This could be improved so that if a certain percentage of a post was marked as spam, it would be automatically reported to the administrative team. Awards and the like would also increase a post's monetary value. Naturally, posts made by long-time posters who have continually shown their skill would be worth less than, say, people who are actively imrpoving.

The monetary system could be converted to an 'EXP' rating mechanism which could automatically increase or decrease a user's belt rating up until a certain point where validation is required. Items could be obtained by trading 'EXP', which would be taxed by something along the lines of 20%, which could increase over time as items are a continual source of income and usually do not require a large amount of work after the initial investment.

The whole system could be expressed as a simple algorithm like the one that follows:

Total EXP modification = (((((Word-count - ((Minor spelling errors + (Major Spelling Erros * 2)) + Gramatical Mistakes)) / Belt Tax) * Post Rating) - (Average EXP Modication / 2)) * Global EXP Modifier) + Total Monetary Value of Awards Won

Take the following as an example: Our user (who has a first-level belt, which will be refered to as the brown belt for lack of a better name) makes a 100 word post, thirteen minor spelling mistakes (e.g. Still easily readable), no gramatical mistakes, gets a 3+ Post Rating and has an average EXP modification of 300. The post has one no awards, the Glodal EXP Modifier is 100 and the Belt Tax for Brown Belts is a mere 20%. The Total EXP Modification would be as follows:

(((((100 - ((13 + (0 * 2)) + 0)) / 20%) * (3 / 2)) - (300 / 2)) * 1) + 0 = 502.5

Item EXP production would be calculated as follows:

Item EXP Production = (Price of Item - ((Belt Tax - Item Tax Modifier) + (((Weeks Passed + Times Purchased) * 10) / Item Tax Modifier)))

So for an item worth 1000 EXP with a belt tax of 20%, an Item Tax Modifier of 10, a total existance of 2 weeks and a Times Purchased rating of 3, the item's creator would get 500 EXP.

These algorithms are by no means accurate or reliable but are there simply to illustrate a point. I'm not a mathematician, obviously Razz

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Good idea?

Embri · Black Spider Blackstar Native Old Friend Posts: 2172

Could have fooled me... ah, looks good, but that's a VERY extensive MOD, Net... maybe in the future, but right now we have to get the belt system up and running. We need to keep track of all these ideas....

We also might have a problem with things like proper names that aren't in the program's dictionary.

*scribbles list*

Danikat · Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 7:45 am Post subject:

I'm not a big fan of making spelling a big issue in things like this, largely because its really not one of my strengths, but also because I think beyond a point it doesn't really matter.

If someone is obviously using deliberate bad spelling, text speak for example, thats annoying but if they just make honest mistakes (teh instead of the for example) I'm happy to ignore it.

I'm also unconvinced that systems that allow other users to rate a post, like the karma system on a lot of forums (including the Gameware one) actually work.
I ignore them 99% of the time. Even if theres a post I really like (or dislike) I hardly ever remember that I should give it a rating. And I've gotten the impression that a lot of other people feel the same way.