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Mag Yellow Belt
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Thank you taking our point of view into consideration, you are a noble young gentleman (I assume you are young, most of you seem to be). I would prefer to see some of the items there to be destroyed, but an age warning would be a correct step in the right direction.
Now then, I'm still noticing that a lot of you are calling our parental skills into question, so allow me to tell you about the methods I have used to raise my son. Once I prove to you all that I am a good parent, perhaps you will all realise that even the best parents can see their children corrupted by what they see and hear.
When he was first born, he used to cry a lot. Of course, I understand that babies don't know any different, but once he reached toddler age, I began my parental guidance programme. I am hoping to write a book about my findings in hope that other parents can learn my techniques.
Anyway, in our house we have a small closet under the stairs, which we use for storage mostly, but I decided to give it another use. I hung a sign on the door which read "The Naughty Door", and made it clear that it was mystical place where bad things happen. If my son did something wrong, I would tell him "Son, what you did was wrong, you made a bad choice. Now you must stand behind The Naughty Door".
Once inside, I'd leave him there for an hour, sometimes two, depending on the nature of the crime. Whenever I'd walk past I would hit the door hard with a broom to make him jump, and make weird ghost noises at him. He was so scared of The Naughty Door when he was a child that he barely ever put a foot wrong.
Now he is too big for The Naughty Door, and as such, I find it hard to discipline him, so I have resorted to spanking. Last night, my son claimed that he was going to drink punch until he fell over, so he gradually getting naughtier without The Naughty Door. I'm thinking of getting a large cardboard box, called The Naughty Box, and doing something similar with that. make him sit under the box, whilst I scratch at it and scream. Maybe pour some hot water through the cracks or something, I don't know.
I hope this shows what a dedicated parent I am, and how a child should be bought up to be an honest citizen in the eyes of our lord. |
Dedicated? More like insane. If you continue punishing him like that I will sympathize with your child as I've gotten similar treatment. I was badly hurt and spanked. But I still have no respect for my father who inflicted the punishment on me. Why? Because I hated him for giving me so much pain and even to this day I would still take revenge if I ever get the chance. Also as Father Mac has said, do not hide behind religion because there are other religions that have a diffrent point of view. I don't really care about the other religions but I still show respect for them because there is no one true religion. We all have our beliefs and we shouldn't be forced to convert to a diffrent religion. In fact my father used sandals and/or shoes to spank me so I've gotten even worse pain than your son must have. Yet I still make wisecracks about him and I even call him a beer addict even if he threatens to hit me. That shows that your way of thinking is wrong and you should consider other methods of punishment. My mother is a much diffrent story thought. I really do respect her and I only rarely talk back if what she says isn't very fair.
I do think you could use some counseling and if need be, a psychiatrist. _________________
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Liofin White Belt
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I agree with Mag. My father hurt me too. But it got so bad that I hate him now. I'm sorry about what happened to you Mag  |
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Excuse me Mrs. Ward, I seem to have been picked out in your little hate campaign here. For swearing?
I'll have you know that, although some of my humour is suggestive, that is as far as it goes. The nearest I go to swear words are things like Damn, and Hell, Arse, and the like, which where I come from are not even swear words at all. I know some people still class these words as swear words, but so far, I've observed many others using the same sort of language and have had no complaints to tone it down.
Therefore, I challenge you Mrs. Ward to provide us with an example from the Blackstar forums to back up your case.
The attack on my character doesn't go unnoticed either. Yes, Addman is an evil meta demon, but there is a sense of irony to Addman. The fact that one of the most evil demons known in the depths of hell managed to unluckily manifest itself into the puppet of the Cookiemonster, a children's entertainer, was done with purpose, and as such, Addman has become a joke character more than a bloodthirsty killer. Most of my posts are humour related and I only partake in the occasional serious RP around here.
Mr. Paige, I am shocked to see you go to such lengths to discipline your child. Whatever happened to going to bed without supper? I understand that you feel the need to teach your boy right from wrong, but this is too extreme for my tastes. Also, if you publish that book, I reckon it'll just be evidence to your horrible parental skills, and will probably result in a jail sentence for you! _________________ I like big cookies and I cannot lie,
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:40 am Post subject: |
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Agreed, Addman. Mr Paiges book would get him sent to *prison* I had to fix that. Jail --> Court --> Prison Lol anyways.
As long as I've been here I haven't seen Addman swear, or anyone else for that matter. And once again, I agree with addman, find some proof somewhere on this forum that shows that he has. |
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:23 am Post subject: |
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I sincerely doubt that, for the parish which I attend are all eager to listen to my parenting tips, and we share the techniques we like best. My friend Clive, who attends our church, makes his sons and daughters balance on chairs on one leg if they misbehave, something I probably would have done if our chairs were not simply too short for it to be a daunting prospect.
The Naughty Door is soon to become a great parental aid when raising youngsters, and I am very close to finishing my book. I aim to have it sent to my publishers by next week.
As for the proposals we've made so far, I have yet to see any of them come into effect. This saddens me deeply. I suggest you hurry and come to an agreement with us, time is running out. |
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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| As for the proposals we've made so far, I have yet to see any of them come into effect. This saddens me deeply. I suggest you hurry and come to an agreement with us, time is running out. |
And what, exactly, will happen when time 'runs out'?
It seems to have escaped your attention that you have consistently failed to convince any of us that there is any problem here beyond your own inability to communicate with your children.
Until you can show us definitive proof that we are the problem, and we can agree on a solution we all consider to be acceptable we are not going to be following any of your demands. _________________ Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to decieve ~ Sir Walter Scott
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| Yeah... What do you mean by time is running out? Yeah, your friend Clive's punishment = NOT ABUSE! You idiot. >.< |
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Hahahahah, this thread makes me laugh.
Leporidae, you have a great point. You should be the one writing a book, not these idiots. There is some great information that has been posted by our members here. And I also add, Mr. Paige, what do you think will happen when our 'time runs out'? _________________ Don't blink. Don't sleep. Monsters are falling from the sky. |
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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I've just taken the liberty of reading this entire thread, and am now sorely disappointed I did not come here at the start.
Mr Paige, you sir, are a religious zealot. You should not try and limit your childrens beliefs into what you believe in. Instead, try to keep an open mind and encourage them to find their own paths. Also, please do not accuse us of being satanists or satanistic, I assure you that kind of behavious would most definitely not be tolerated here, since it would probably offend a lot of people as the word mentioned before.
Only a few times on this site have I seen anything particularly grotesque, although the knife through the piano thing was probably the highest. I happen to be taking part in that particular thread, and that is the only incident, apart from the bank robbery by the RPer named Will Barron, that anything too violent has happened there. If you truly have read all of it, you'll find most of it is banter and the occasional odd thing happening. That is all.
As for graphic violence I happen to know another PG-13 roleplaying site that has far more graphic violence than this one, yet no-ones parents there have yet come on to complain as you have.
I respect your religious beliefs, I too used to be a Christian. However I have changed and moved on because I do not blindly believe what I am told, and try to keep an open mind. Do you do the same?
Also, I agree with an aforementioned comment on here, that if your child did imitate something someone posted on here they were probably that way inclined in the first place. As such, they would be just as likely to be set off by a flim, book or tv show. I happen to know a psychologist in training and he agrees with me. Have you ever heard of the Doom incident, pray tell? Two boys went into a school and massacred the pupils inside, then shot themselves. They left a tape saying they were imitating their favourite game. Now, I'm pretty sure such behaviour could have easily been triggered by a violent movie. As is my psychologist friend, since in order to do things like that you must be that way inclined before you come across the trigger.
Roleplay is not real, it is a means of escape from real life, and I personally like to think here you can also bring out and exercise parts of yourself you would not in real life. This may be the reason why I have so many characters now. I am not a schizophrenic, nor would I think of acting out any of the things certain of my characters would. Roleplay is also a very good place to let off a little steam, and works especially well for me when I am angry.
See, I was never taught how to deal with my anger properly. I was bullied in school, and always bottled it up. I bottled it up for years until I reached 11 years old, when I finally snapped.
I cannot tell you what exactly happened, since I do not remember. My mind blocks the memory because of something called 'red mist', which I believe is a phenomenon that occurs when you bottle rage up for so long then let it out in one go. It is not a pleasant experience.
Roleplay helps me get rid of my anger and stress levels, and also helps me with some of my creative writing. I play mostly what you would call 'evil' characters, and a few 'good'. Like me, even the good ones have their dark sides. But I do know the difference between me and them.
Please do not try to ban this site, find yourself and your child some help, block him from this site. Block yourself from it too, lest your anger reach the level that mine did.
As a suggestion, perhaps warnings in the titles of threads to show what kind of game is going on would be appropriate? Much like films do.
I am also curious as to what exactly you think is going to happen when 'time runs out'. This is TheSensei's site, and it is up to him whether it stays or goes. I have yet to see any truly valid arguments for taking it down. Arguments for ratings or warnings in threads yes, but not for outright banning RP _________________ Baker of the radioactive three-eyed flying purple cookie eating brownies!
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:02 am Post subject: |
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Well it's been quite some time since I posted this and it seems we've gone a bit off the topic. So let me just emphasize on a few things. I am a parent concerned about the material on this site and how much of an impression it can leave upon children, having seen its effects on my own son. Unlike Mr Paige, I am not particularly outspoken in regards to my religion, and I'd personally like to keep religion out of the issue (as many of you seem to have varying ideas on the matter that don't really relate to why I'm here).
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| For now, the most I can do is put age warnings on some of the more violent or graphic threads - would this be appropriate? |
This appears to be the only concession of any kind that's been made, though I can't help but feel disheartened that it hasn't come into effect at all yet. In addition to that, many of your fellow members have all said that the age limit system is relatively useless, as anybody can get through it anyway, so I wonder just how much of a concession you're actually making with simple warnings '3kul'. Personally I feel that your Archives section should be abolished altogether, considering that you'd probably argue that you're even less responsible for that. Some of those RPs are even worse than the ones around here!
As for the piano incident being the only one on the forums, that is certainly not the case (otherwise I wouldn't be here). For example, the following was on the first page of a thread entitled "The Bloodletting".
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| Seph was a tad annoyed, plunging both swords into the necks of the nearest bandits, then gritted his teeth and brought it through their necks, throwing his left blade at another Bandit, it caught him in the torse, shifting feet Seph spun around and kicked the guy in the side of the head, a sickening "CRACK" echoed out around the glade as his neck snapped, Seph gripped the hilt of the embedded blade and brought it out of his stomach, his eyes turned a tinge of red as he brought the blade up, slowly running his tounge along the end, swallowing the blood as he took it |
Particularly gruesome in my opinion, and whilst some might consider the name to be adequate enough warning, it's hardly going to stop anybody who shouldn't read it from doing so. I was truly mortified to read such violence, and it seems to be quite prominent in the early parts of the thread that I read (to be honest I'm not a huge fan of graphic violence, so I wasn't enticed to read too far into the thread).
As I said earlier, I find that quite a bit of your material is not PG-13 as you would consider it, and until now I have been quite reasonable about it. However, if you do nothing to change this then you'll be finding quite a few more disgruntled parents making their presence known on your site. |
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| As for the piano incident being the only one on the forums, that is certainly not the case (otherwise I wouldn't be here) |
Sir, you misunderstand me. I said, and I quote:
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| Only a few times on this site have I seen anything particularly grotesque, although the knife through the piano thing was probably the highest. I happen to be taking part in that particular thread, and that is the only incident, apart from the bank robbery by the RPer named Will Barron, that anything too violent has happened there. If you truly have read all of it, you'll find most of it is banter and the occasional odd thing happening. That is all. |
I happen to not be reading the Bloodletting thread in Amphitheatre. I was referring to the Wild West thread, and the particular threads I myself have seen. _________________ Baker of the radioactive three-eyed flying purple cookie eating brownies!
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| Ah, it seems that you have misunderstood me 'Swix'. I was not referring to your post specifically (otherwise I would have mentioned your name), but the various suggestions that the piano incident was some kind of freak occurance. Whether or not it's the only instance in it's thread doesn't really matter (the fact that there's another incident in the same thread is hardly a comforting thought though), as one is too many in my opinion. |
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And what, exactly, will happen when time 'runs out'?
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You have until Saturday to come to an agreement with us, or I shall put a link to this website on our concerned parents outlook forum. This place will be teeming with other concerned parents.
As a small compromise in the meantime, until we can work something out here, I agree with Lee Jenson that the archives should be scrapped entirely. If this is done, then we shall not invite more parents here, and we shall be willing to negotiate some sort of truce.
Just to inform you of the worsening condition of my son, he keeps saying that the EC will get me for locking him in his room with food for a day. I don't know what that is, but I bet it's something from you lot. |
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 6:51 am Post subject: |
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And what, exactly, will happen when time 'runs out'?
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You have until Saturday to come to an agreement with us, or I shall put a link to this website on our concerned parents outlook forum. This place will be teeming with other concerned parents.
As a small compromise in the meantime, until we can work something out here, I agree with Lee Jenson that the archives should be scrapped entirely. If this is done, then we shall not invite more parents here, and we shall be willing to negotiate some sort of truce.
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You seem too confordent for my liking,and i can barely tolorate it.
I've got a cold and a nasty feeling in my gut that i can't explain,i come here to relax and get away from the world for a bit and here you are,making demands and making people feel uncomfortable and unhappy.
I think that you should leave us alone or seriously think about how other people are feeling before you say another word!
there,you can see i'm going to snap any second now.it's going to take at least half an hour to calm down now,and all my anger came from what you've said so far.This is actuly quite suprising for me,as it's hard for me to stay angery about anybody for long.
So,when time runs out,you'll most likely just,like those bullies all that time ago.Because thats what your basicly doing :Bullying us. _________________
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Well, now it's come to what I was afraid of. Seems that as a result of being the only person to concede a single inch of ground to these people I've been singled out and jammed between a rock and a hard place. It's fairly obvious that by offering to try and solve the problem I made myself the weakest link in the higher-ups, though it's kind of hard to blame it on anyone else (as much as I'd like to), as it was my own suggestion to begin with.
And now I'm presented with a fairly difficult choice. On the one hand I can give up, scrap the Archives and (hopefully) prevent Blackstar from being swarmed by angry parents. On the other hand, I could ignore this offer and hope that Mr Paige is bluffing, though given the similar threats in his and Jenson's posts I'm fairly sure that they're not, in which case I'd risk being somewhat responsible for Blackstar being run into the ground by these invasive parent types.
Neither option really appeals to me that much, as either way my reputation amongst everyone here would be dashed to pieces... I'll need some time to think about this and talk things over with a few people, but I'll be posting my decision before the deadline.
((For what it's worth (which doesn't seem to be much, given the ultimatum you've given us here), I did intend to put warnings on the threads, I just haven't had the time to read them all and do that this week.)) _________________ If I'm not here, I'm probably over at...
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