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Which do you perfer?
Pokemon Diamond
16%
 16%  [ 3 ]
Pokemon Pearl
11%
 11%  [ 2 ]
Pokemon Fire Red
5%
 5%  [ 1 ]
Pokemon Leaf Green
5%
 5%  [ 1 ]
Pokemon Emerald
5%
 5%  [ 1 ]
Pokemon Sapphire
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Pokemon Ruby
5%
 5%  [ 1 ]
Pokemon Crystal
27%
 27%  [ 5 ]
None
22%
 22%  [ 4 ]
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Embri wrote:
Hm, we're listing our Pokemon game collections now? *takes a deep breath* I WILL NOT BE BEATEN!


No Pokemon TCG for GBC? It wasn't a bad game, especially if you didn't want to have to shell out heaps of cash to get yourself pokemon cards.

Embri wrote:
You'd be better off with:

Earthquake
Aqua Tail
Bite
Ice Punch

A pure physical sweeping set, so EV's into 252 Attack, the rest spread into HP and Defenses if you want to tank it out, or 252 into speed if you think you can outrun your opponents.


It's been a while since I've seriously gotten into Pokemon, so I could be wrong, but to counter this you could probably just go with a plain water type (the variable moves Embri's given this makes half water half something else a bad choice). Or you could try and find something with levitate that's not too weak to the other attacks. Or if you can get your hands on a really fast fighting type with thunder punch, that might be okay too.

The best choice though would probably be a Poliwrath - Water, Dark and Ice type moves are all only half as effective on it, and Ground-type attacks aren't super effective or anything like that, so it'd be an uphill battle for Blastoise from the get-go. If Poliwrath has it's water absorb ability as well, it can absorb the Aqua Tail attack as health, which is kinda cool. I'm not sure what kind of moves you'd put on it though, I've never really used a Poliwrath before myself and I can't remember what it does. Maybe focus on it's fighting half rather than it's water half, since as a water type Blastoise won't be hurt as much by water attacks.

Of course, I could be hopelessly wrong about all of this, as I never really got too engrossed in the technical aspect of the pokemon games, and Embri seems to know her stuff.

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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whoops, I forgot the PTCG! I do have that one too. Wink

I'm not saying that nothing will stand in that Blastoise's way (Blastoise isn't the best sweeper out there) but more problematic would be something with very high defense, since it's an all attacking set.

For the record, Poliwrath is pretty mediocre, even worse than Blastoise. Blastoise's high HP would probably let it outlast Poli, and who in their right minds would attack a Water type with a Water Attack, hm? Razz

Also keep in mind no single pokemon stands alone - it has to be a team effort.

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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, I just got Pokemon Diamond earlier (It's 2:22 AM here, it was around 4 PM) and I'm hooked. I was lucky that it gave me permission to get on the internet. It's attached to my brain and could kill me at any time...

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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a question about Diamond and Pearl, can you use the DS's WiFi through a wireless router to connect to players around the world? I don't actually own my own DS, but I sometimes steal my girlfriends's (PINK!) DS and play on that, so I've never tested it out.

I understand that on Diamond and Pearl, people are swapping friend codes and trading around the world. If so, that's pretty amazing.

Also, I have a decent team on Fire Red (Snorlax rules all), is there a way to transfer them to a Diamond/Pearl cart using only one DS?

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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

0.0 Damnit Embri, I can't afford that many vitamins!

Also, you may have Pokemon Box, but do you have Pokemon Protein?!

No offense intended if you actually do have Pokemon Protein...

On another note, and I know crap all about Pokemon, but why Bite? A Psychic/Flying type such as Lugia would knock both Earthquake and Bite off the list, leaving Aqua Tail and Ice Punch, neither of which are all that powerful compared to Aeroblast (Lugia's signature move).

Lugia is weak against Ice, so Ice Punch is super-effective, but if you upped it's HP(?) and Defense EVs and gave it Leftovers it shouldn't be too dangerous (presuming you were around the same level).

Moveset wise, I'm thinking Aeroblast, Giga Drain (exploiting Blastoise's weakness against Grass), Thunderbolt (95 power + Super effective? Ouch >.<) and maybe Recover or Protect. Nature-wise, probably Bold (+Def, -Atk) as all those attacks are Special.

...And now I want to actually make that Pokemon 0.o... To Silver, and victory!

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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i likr crystal, because you can mate the pokemon.

you might be able to do it others, but i've only played red, blue, crystal and gold.

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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bite, I believe, is Dark rather than normal, so he should be able to hit a Poke like Lugia with it, plus it should be Super Effective due to the Dark>Psychic move type. Although, Bite only has a power of around 40, so it's not that tough. I'd bet Ice Punch would take more damage off of Lugia.

What benefit would Aqua Tail give Blastoise over a move such as Surf? I've never actually heard of Aqua Tail before.

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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

D'oh! Addman's right, back to the drawing board it is then.
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Embri wrote:
Whoops, I forgot the PTCG! I do have that one too. Wink

I'm not saying that nothing will stand in that Blastoise's way (Blastoise isn't the best sweeper out there) but more problematic would be something with very high defense, since it's an all attacking set.

For the record, Poliwrath is pretty mediocre, even worse than Blastoise. Blastoise's high HP would probably let it outlast Poli, and who in their right minds would attack a Water type with a Water Attack, hm? Razz

Also keep in mind no single pokemon stands alone - it has to be a team effort.


Ah, sorry, I was more just puzzling it over in my head since you managed to come up with a seemingly unbeatable Blastoise. I always tended to shoot for type weaknesses rather than actual skill though, so it's no surprise to hear that Poliwrath is actually bad.

addman wrote:
I have a question about Diamond and Pearl, can you use the DS's WiFi through a wireless router to connect to players around the world? I don't actually own my own DS, but I sometimes steal my girlfriends's (PINK!) DS and play on that, so I've never tested it out.

I understand that on Diamond and Pearl, people are swapping friend codes and trading around the world. If so, that's pretty amazing.


I'm under this impression, but I'm still waiting on my copy of the new game so I'm not entirely sure myself. It does sound pretty cool though.

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Also, I have a decent team on Fire Red (Snorlax rules all), is there a way to transfer them to a Diamond/Pearl cart using only one DS?


Apparently once you've 'completed' the Sinnoh pokedex (and by completed I mean have seen all of the new pokemon, you don't actually have to capture them, which is probably pretty easy) you can go to this place called the Pal Park.

In the Pal Park you can transfer 6 pokemon from your old GBA pokemon game into the new one, where you have a 100% chance of capturing them (I think it's more of a mini-game way of transferring your old pokemon to the new game, though some people would say that it's a waste of time).

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What benefit would Aqua Tail give Blastoise over a move such as Surf? I've never actually heard of Aqua Tail before.


The new games mix up physical and special attacks quite a bit, and I think that Aqua Tail is a physical water-type attack, so it only depends on Blastoise's Attack value rather than the Sp. Atk value, which goes well with all of it's other moves. Aqua Tail is a move from the new games btw, I hadn't heard of it prior to seeing it in this thread either.

I've been casually playing Emerald myself whilst I'm waiting for my new game to get here (as in not going crazy with technical stats and EVs and IVs and all that confusing stuff, I just play for fun). My current team is Dustox, Marshtomp, Quilava, Sableye, Gloom & Miltank. It seems to be working pretty well for me so far, I like how Sableye has no weaknesses (something I never noticed previously) and I'm raising a few that I've never tried before, so it's interesting. The main problem I'm encountering atm is Flying type, as half of them are weak to it (Dustox, Marshtomp and Gloom) whilst the other half don't really have any moves to deal with it...

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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first was silver I think, I've got alot to 100, still couln't get past the big tower in cristle though.
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

3kul wrote:
Ah, sorry, I was more just puzzling it over in my head since you managed to come up with a seemingly unbeatable Blastoise. I always tended to shoot for type weaknesses rather than actual skill though, so it's no surprise to hear that Poliwrath is actually bad.

Thats what I did.

This is probably seriously out-dated and useless for the new games but in Red/Blue and Gold/Silver I always went for a team with one each of water (or water/ice), fire, grass, psychic, rock/ground and electric.

I also tended to focus on attack rather than knocking down stats or whatever so after dividing up the HM's between them I'd make sure each had a strong type-specific attack (sometimes I'd combine those, for example I always found surf was a good water attack), give them each a normal attack of some sort and fill in the remaining spaces with whatever seemed the most practical for the pokemon.

The actual pokemon I picked would be a matter of trial and error, if I noticed one of my team was struggling I'd see what I had to switch them with and keep trying out diffrent ones until I had one that worked really well.
Although I always used Mew as my psychic.

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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At one point in time, I have had:

2x Pokemon Yellow
1x Pokemon Silver
1x Pokemon Crystal

I've also played countless other games.

I also managed to bug someone's game to the point of them having to completely reset by losing a game against them Mad

Silver vs Gold ftw.

My personal favorite, however, is Crystal, since it's the only one I've beaten the Elite Four in. Hundreds of hours wasted Very Happy

I also "accidentally" killed Suicine because he was a horrible *JUMPING PEPPERS!* and my starter was level 100.

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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Netdroid9 wrote:

On another note, and I know crap all about Pokemon, but why Bite? A Psychic/Flying type such as Lugia would knock both Earthquake and Bite off the list, leaving Aqua Tail and Ice Punch, neither of which are all that powerful compared to Aeroblast (Lugia's signature move).

Lugia is weak against Ice, so Ice Punch is super-effective, but if you upped it's HP(?) and Defense EVs and gave it Leftovers it shouldn't be too dangerous (presuming you were around the same level).

Moveset wise, I'm thinking Aeroblast, Giga Drain (exploiting Blastoise's weakness against Grass), Thunderbolt (95 power + Super effective? Ouch >.<) and maybe Recover or Protect. Nature-wise, probably Bold (+Def, -Atk) as all those attacks are Special.

...And now I want to actually make that Pokemon 0.o... To Silver, and victory!


First of all, Lugia is an Uuber - only N00b's use Uubers. No competitive battler would touch a tier ten Pokemon like Lugia, Ho-Oh, Mewtwo and pals with a ten foot pole, BECUAUSE they're ridiculously strong. When the top tier Legendaries are allowed, it cuts the pool of playable pokemon down to about 20, a really dumb metagame.

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Bite is Dark type, 60 Base Power, 30% Flinch. It would do double damage against a Lugia. Also, your suggested moveset is horrible for a Lugia - Giga Drain on a poke with a only a base 90 Special Attack stat? It's only got 60 base power, no where near enough to kill. No. Just no... especially when it can learn Recover. Two healing moves is also a NO. Thunderbolt is actually a good choice, Aeroblast is a must have (seriously no Lugia goes into battle without Aeroblast... ) and WHERE is Psychic in that set?


BOLD is a horrible nature for a Lugia - it'll be taken out with Ice, Dark or Electric 90% of the time, and most of those (at least were and generally remain) Special type damage moves. Increasing Lugias Defense at the expense of Attack (used to power Aeroblast) is a bad choice.

Protect is good, if overused. Anyways, all of this is moot regardless, since Lugia's aren't allowed in tourney play. Razz

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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 11:06 pm    Post subject: Pokemon Diamond Reply with quote

That's why I tend to train Ubers as well as normals, except on Blue, but an Articuno really isn't that hard to beat if you know how. If we're going on about lists of Pokemon stuff (even though I can't really beat Embri) I've got:

Blue - Sparks (Raichu), Spike (Sandslash), Whipper (Venusaur), Blaze (Charizard), Blasty (Blastoise), Snowstorm (Articuno)

Silver - Typhlosion, Togetic, Ampharos, Gyarados, Lapras, Swellow

Crystal - Meganium, Ariados, Gyarados, Lapras, Arcanine, Suicune

Ruby - Scorcher (Blaziken), Bandit (Linoone), White Fang (Mightyena), Kal (Kadabra), Mobi (Wailord), Tiamat (Salamence)

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I might consider picking up Diamond or Pearl, maybe. Are they worth it?

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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still learning, and have yet to actually play in a tourney match so I have no idea what's allowed and what's not. Other than switching Giga Drain for Psychic and using Protect, which you've already suggested, I'm clueless Razz.
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