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Rest in peace Steve Irwin.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:45 am    Post subject: Rest in peace Steve Irwin. Reply with quote

Steve Irwin was killed by a Stingray barb to the heart while filming a show, I found the information from AOL news, here it is.

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Steve Irwin, 44, was filming an underwater sequence for a television series on remote Batt Reef off the far north-east coast of Australia when he encountered the ray and was stung, Australia Zoo, Irwin's park, said in a statement.

Crew members aboard Irwin's boat, Croc One, called emergency services in the nearest city, Cairns, and administered cardio pulmonary resuscitation techniques as they rushed the boat to nearby Low Isle to meet a rescue helicopter.

Medical staff pronounced Irwin dead, the statement said.

"The world has lost a great wildlife icon, a passionate conservationist and one of the proudest dads on the planet," John Stainton, Irwin's friend and producer who was on board Croc One said in the statement.


I used to watch him all the time with my Grandparents, I really liked him, he was shooting a show for his daughter, and I think it is her that has it the worst.

Steve Irwin, rest in peace.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was only the other night i was watching crocodile hunter,and now he's dead.

R.I.P Steve Irwin, may your family remember you fondly.

And just for the sake of it:

CRICKY!

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

R.I.P,

You died doing the thing you loved,keep rocking croc-hunter.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This news got here too? I already seen this news in anouther fourm ((Witch has no relation to blackstar at all)) and now its here? Next time I go to Gameware it just might be there too! You never know.

Anyway, although I was never a fan of his show and mocked at his stupidity when it comes to animals, I will say it now, R.I.P.

Although, I had a feeling it was coming anytime now.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RIP Idiot, feeding your child to the crocs, and now getting cardiac arrest from a stingray.

Honestly, I know from experience stingrays don't actively sting people. He had to've provoked it. It was his own doing, and his spare lives ran out.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although I'd never wish death on anyone, and it's quite tragic that this has happened, I have to agree with the last two posts. Steve Irwin invented a new type of nature documentary, one where you don't learn anything, but get to see snakes lunging in slow motion at an over-enthusistic Australian.

Still, I did admire his zest for life and the way he passionately cared for animals. I always thought he'd be killed by a crocodile or a snake, but never a stingray.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I disagree, yes, he did in a few ways provoke animals, but the man studied them in their natural habitats rather than taking them out of their habitats and sticking them in some God forsaken laboratory or crappy little box to study them!

As for the predicability of animals, one constant with animals is that animals are unpredictable, you can't always predict an animals action, reaction or movements. Yes, there tends to be a set trend, a set behaviour, but those can easily be broken by all species!

As it is, it's been said several times Stingray's are defensive, so he may have too close, or maybe, just maybe, the stingray did something unpredictable, as I am entirely sure, as an animal conservationist and expert, and the fact he was filming Stingray's, therefore, he would have at least fully researched his subject, and not just jumped right in there...

He may be enthusiastic, and may have come across as a little nuts, but he was not a stupid man! Everything he did, he knew exactly what he was doing, everytime. So I refuse to believe that he provoked the Stingray. You can call me any name under the sun, but I refuse to believe he's that stupid!

As for the baby incident, yes, it was a little crazy and highly controversial, but, Steve knows what he was doing, it's how he was brought up, and that turned out positive (until his untimely death).

Rest In Peace Steve, always in our hearts and minds, and one of the best role models for animal conservation and protection! May your family live well...

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I work under the assumption that people aren't stupid, they just do stupid things. Stingrays are defensive. This means they only attack as a last resort when they feel they've exhausted all options (and by all options I mean all paths to run). I'm sure it was not intentional on his part to box this ray in. My thought is that he was bent over, head under water with a snorkel, arms out to keep his balance, and his camera man in front of him. Had the stingray hit ANYWHERE else on the front of his body, the injury, although serious, would not have been life threatening. This is truly a freak accident.

The man was called many things by many people. I'll add my opinions to the list. He was a passionate father and enviromentalist. He constantly worked for preserving animals by teaching people about them (people kill what they are afriad of, and are afraid of what they don't understand). The only thing that he spent more attention on than the enviroment is his children. This is truly a tragedy.

Personally, I never watched his show. He did some pretty stupid things (which he got away with because he was an expert at handling animals). Had anyone with any less experience did half the stunts he pulled, they would have died a LONG time ago. This case was no different, and truly was a freak accident.

And in his honor, and in the spirit of Enviromentalism, I say we all give him one last Cricky.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freak accident is right, I think he's the third person to have ever died from a stingray attack in Australian waters in almost 70 years. However Shaon, it's a little hard (and quite presumptious) to instantly assume that he provoked it. I might've agreed with you if he was filming for one of his usual shows, but given that he wasn't filming for his own show (like Seph said, he was actually filming a segment for his daughter's show that'd been set to premiere in the US, some kind of kid's wildlife thing), and looking at the various accounts available, I have to say that it seems like it was just really bad luck. Regardless of how he died though, it's still pretty rough to go spitting on someone's grave like that...

Rest in peace Steve Irwin, as one of the greatest Australian icons of our time.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goliath_Bird_Eater wrote:

As for the baby incident, yes, it was a little crazy and highly controversial, but, Steve knows what he was doing, it's how he was brought up, and that turned out positive (until his untimely death).


I suppose Micheal Jackson knew what he was doing when he dangled his baby from a third storey window. Well that's ok then, I guess he must have had an iron grip or something.

Just because someone knows what they are doing doesn't make it danger free, and putting your own child's life in danger is pretty stupid in my opinion.

Still, I did like the conservation message he put out there, and it's sad he didn't die doing what he loved instead, poking snakes with sticks. May he rest on a cloud surrounded by lizards.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaon wrote:
RIP Idiot, feeding your child to the crocs, and now getting cardiac arrest from a stingray.

Honestly, I know from experience stingrays don't actively sting people. He had to've provoked it. It was his own doing, and his spare lives ran out.

He wasn't 'feeding his child to crocs' or anything remotely like it.
Yes he was feeding a crocodile whilst holding his baby but there was never any danger. If there was the accident would have happened long before when his father held him whilst feeding them, or before that when his grandfather did it whilst holding his father.

The reason the issue never got further than something to occupy the media for a few days is that they couldn't officially accuse him of anything because every reptile expert they consulted agreed that the baby was never in any danger. The crocodile was on the opposite side of his body to the baby, fully extended so it couldn't lunge towards him and completely occupied with the meat Steve was feeding it. The worst thing that could have happened would be Steve's hand getting bitten. It couldn't have gotten to the baby.

Similar sort of thing with the stingray. Steve thought he was safe because the only way the sting ray could have killed him would be if the barb hit a vein just before his heart, which would carry the venom down to his heart. Obviously it can happen but the chances of it are astronomically small, which is why only 3 people have ever been killed by stingrays in more than 70 years.

On a similar note I have to complain about all the people referring to what he did on his show as 'stunts'. It was nothing of the sort and to reduce his career to something on a par with Jackass is a major insult to a man who has done more for our understanding of the behaviour and handling of captive animals than anyone else in living memory.
Steve Irwin's techniques, the so called 'stunts' that so many people considered nothing more than a bit of entertainment are now universally accepted as the ideal method for transporting reptiles in zoo's and similar facilities all around the world. They're used every day by the most qualified people in the field, people who like Steve have been doing this all their lives. He's revolutionised our approach to some of the most heavily stigmatised animals on earth, helped us understand how they think and behave and how to work with them in a way they can understand, in a way that causes an absolute minimum of stress to the animals and therefore is much safer for their handlers.

And thats before I even mention everything he did to attract attention to these animals and the conservation issues facing them and all other animals on earth. He's gotten an entire generation of kids into these issues, not to mention thousands of adults all over the world.

Finally I just have to add that I was a big fan of his and I'll miss looking out for the new episodes of his show. I'll always regret that I never managed to make the trip to Australia to see him in person.

(And if anyone really doubts his expertise look at it this way: He grew up in the zoo his family ran, helping his father and grandfather care for the animals. He caught his first wild crocodile at the age of 12 and when he died at 44 he didn't have a single crocodile or alligator bite on him.)

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here here Dani!

A toast to Steve Irwin!

*Seph swigs a glass of wine*
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dani, you get a million bajillion win points for that post.

I wasn't Irwin's biggest fan, but I'm sad to see him go.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ditto that.

And NEVER trust anything the media says. Ever. They could have well said he was eaten by sharks or captured and executed by a band of rebels and there would be no question about it, I think.
The media are no more than a load of brainwashing scum who only tell you what suits their fancy. All they need is a shred of truth (Stever Irwin has died) and they can forge as much garbage as they want from there.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The whole incident was recorded though EnD, it's a little hard to deviate too much from the truth when you don't know what's going to be done with the evidence (which is currently in the hands of the authorities, I believe).

Disturbingly enough, a certain somebody seems to think that a few days after his death would be the perfect time to give a public cry that Irwin got what he deserved (and other remarks along those lines). Personally, I'm more disgusted that he's not even buried and already this person has decided to slander him - whether there's any truth to what she says or not, it's just plain insensitive to his family and others who were close to him to bring stuff like that up at this time. I watched her get ripped into by a pretty biased interviewer, and it was a little satisfying, some questions going along the lines of:

Interviewer: Could you name for me one other person who agrees with you on your opinion?
Germaine: There are many who agree with me. Thousands, millions even.
Interviewer: So you're saying that you can't name one?
((As a note, she was asked a few more similar questions, yet throughout the interview she did not name one other person that agreed with her.))

I really don't like how biased the interviewer was, but I guess with the interviewee being biased in the opposite way it kind of worked out. I figured I'd point this out as it's somewhat relevant, and some of you might care to take a look.

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